Supreme Court has banned abortions

[Subduction Zone]

I bet you were a riot when your wife was pregnant.." Honey, come over here and feel this, the baby's moving!"

" No , honey, he's not alive and he's not a baby until he is born, because I say so. "

I see that you do not understand intent.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, they aren't. They don't have their own DNA separate from yours.

So what? Now you have just claimed that identical twins are not human.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Show me one. You need to show that a person that had massive brain damage, a brain that had no EEG activity came back from a vegetative state.

The brain on the right was Teri's. The one on the left shows a normal brain. The dark areas are liquid. It looks like Teri's brain was all but nonexistent by the time they pulled her feeding tube.

I had to be part of the same sort of decision for my father. He did have a living will, but he had an accident. He did survive, but he had severe brain damage as a result. Since it was violated the family could have decided to insert a feeding tube when he could no longer swallow. But we decided to follow his original wishes and let nature take its course. He did not want to be hooked up to all sorts of life support. It was very sad to see him continually lose abilities over ten years. I supplemented his care at a nursing home and often asked him if he was happy and while he could he usually answered yes. I can understand why Michael Schiavo fought for his wife's right to die. And I can understand why her parents opposed it. From personal experience I can see that Michael was right.

We had to go through something very similar with my father. His brain looked pretty much like the one on the right at the time we decided to turn off the machines because he would have had zero quality of life and he never, ever would have wanted to "live" like that. Basically, we realized he was already dead. Not an easy decision, but the right one.

 

[SkepticThinker]

My father in law was allowed to starve to death. It was a horrible decision made under duress...he likely could have recovered but his wife didn't understand that was a possibility. Some people can't be reasoned with, but if it had been my decision I would have asked them to try and operate.

If his brain looked like the one on the right, he wasn't going to recover.

 

[Wildswanderer]

If his brain looked like the one on the right, he wasn't going to recover.

It was an injury, not a hopeless case, from what I've been told. He was aware of certain things right up till almost the end.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It was an injury, not a hopeless case, from what I've been told. He was aware of certain things right up till almost the end.

In my father's case, his brain was almost completely gone, like in the scan on the right, and what little was left of it, was deteriorating rapidly. So it was pretty clear-cut in his case that he wasn't going to make it. Even still, my uncle believed my father would wake up and be just fine and dandy if he only prayed over him.