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Suppression of Free Speech on Covid

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
A society that cannot adequately address disinformation and misinformation on matters of public health is an active participant in worsening its own public health outcomes. If so-called "free speech" is so sacrosanct that a nation is willing to accept poor public health outcomes as a consequence, it deserves what it gets, I suppose. I'm not a fan, but best I can do is not vote Death Party and I'm already doing that.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's hard not to favor the right when the left is so self righteous and pathologically full of itself.
We need only look at covid numbers. Dems and Libs suffered and died less than Cons and Reps.
The cops are another factor, as covid soared amd rocketed to the top.cop killer far above everything else. And that's just from their own stuoidity and not getting vaccinated.
 
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anna.

Well-Known Member
If you looked at the bans, many were at the high school level. Have you looked at what is being banned or are you merely repeating what you've been told?
  • Overwhelmingly, book banners continue to target stories by and about people of color and LGBTQ+ individuals.In this six-month period, 30% of the unique titles banned are books about race, racism, or feature characters of color. Meanwhile, 26% of unique titles banned have LGBTQ+ characters or themes.
  • Due to cases where long lists of books are removed for further investigation, bans this school year are increasingly affecting a wider swath of titles, including those that portray violence and abuse (44%), discuss topics of health and wellbeing (38%), and cover death and grief (30%).This illuminates how censorship impacts a wide array of books, particularly as school districts respond to vague legislation by removing large numbers of books prior to any formal review.
  • The process behind book challenges and bans is evolving. During the 2021-22 school year, parent-led groups coordinated to advance book censorship. These groups pressured districts to remove books without following their own policies, even in some cases, removing books without reading them. That trend has continued in the 2022-23 school year, but it has also been supercharged by a new source of pressure: state legislation. School districts in many states are reacting to new laws that dictate the types of books that can even bein schools, or what kinds of policies they have to follow to add new books and review their collections.
  • Books are more frequently labeled “pornographic” or “indecent.” Dozens of books were targeted for removal in the 2021-22 school year on the basis that they contained sexual content. But since last summer, this framing has become an increasing focus of activists and politicians to justify removing books that do not remotely fit the well-established legal and colloquial definitions of “pornography.” Rhetoric about “porn in schools” has also been advanced as justification for the passage or introduction of new state laws, some of which would bar any books with sexual content and could easily sweep up a wide swath of literature and health-related content.
    • The full impact of the book ban movement is greater than can be counted, as “wholesale bans” are restricting access to untold numbers of books in classrooms and school libraries. This school year, numerous states enacted “wholesale bans” in which entire classrooms and school libraries have been suspended, closed, or emptied of books, either permanently or temporarily. This is largely because teachers and librarians in several states have been directed to catalog entire collections for public scrutiny within short timeframes, under threat of punishment from new, vague laws. These “wholesale bans,” have involved the culling of books that were previously available to students, in ways that are impossible to track or quantify.


Right-wing activists have been working in recent years to remove what they say are objectionable books from local libraries -- but it turns out that a tiny number of them are responsible for most of the book ban requests.

Analysis conducted by the Washington Post found that only 11 people were responsible for more than half of more than 1,000 different book challenges analyzed by the paper, with one person responsible for 92 challenges just by himself.

"Together, these serial filers constituted 6 percent of all book challengers — but were responsible for 60 percent of all filings," the Post states.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
We need only look at covid numbers. Dems and Libs suffered and died more than Cons and Reps.
The cops are another factor, as covid soared amd rocketed to the top.cop killer far above everything else. And that's just from their own stuoidity and not getting vaccinated.
I look at per capita to get the actual truth rather than people who rely on shock figure for their propaganda.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I look at per capita to get the actual truth rather than people who rely on shock figure for their propaganda.
Then it looks even worse for Cons and Reps because America dominates in covid deaths. But we also know, yeah. LWers have been fairing far better than RWers.
We didn't have those like Herman Cain.
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
Behaving like what? Calling out your crap?
Behaving like a moron ... crying out invective .. without stating what you are claiming is crap .. and as such you are the one spouting "crap" and now projecting your failing onto others.

Not my fault you got duped by the Progressive Blue Nazi charade .. and save your Ad Hom Fallacy for someone it applies to ... my arguments against Trump are way better than yours.
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
We need only look at covid numbers. Dems and Libs suffered and died less than Cons and Reps.
The cops are another factor, as covid soared amd rocketed to the top.cop killer far above everything else. And that's just from their own stuoidity and not getting vaccinated.
Only need to look at covid numbers between Red and Blue to conclude what ? What is this amazing revelation you have come to .. **mod edit**

This will be a joke .. but look forward to the laugh ..
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Behaving like a moron ... crying out invective .. without stating what you are claiming is crap .. and as such you are the one spouting "crap" and now projecting your failing onto others.

Not my fault you got duped by the Progressive Blue Nazi charade .. and save your Ad Hom Fallacy for someone it applies to ... my arguments against Trump are way better than yours.
I rarely ignore anyone but you ramble on with so much fillerfluffspeak that it's not even fun. Two cent trolls are more fun to play whack a mole with than your whatever the hell that is.
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
I rarely ignore anyone but you ramble on with so much fillerfluffspeak that it's not even fun. Two cent trolls are more fun to play whack a mole with than your whatever the hell that is.

My My Brother Shade .. a post consisting of nothing but personal invective ... unable to support your woke pablum induced Covid Prognostications .. surprise surprise !?

What about Red vs Blue covid death ... what are we to conclude other than Fatties tend be more prevalent on the Red side .. or is this not what you wanted to say and didn't consider the Fatty Factor .. Mr. "Whack a mole - Two Cent Troll - Flufferspeak" -- your words .. not mine -- in desperate attempt to totally project your failings onto others.


Speak -- the podium is yours .. Tell us what you have concluded about Covid from Red vs Blue .. one donut or two. Tell us about the Fatty Factor.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
My My Brother Shade .. a post consisting of nothing but personal invective ... unable to support your woke pablum induced Covid Prognostications .. surprise surprise !?

What about Red vs Blue covid death ... what are we to conclude other than Fatties tend be more prevalent on the Red side .. or is this not what you wanted to say and didn't consider the Fatty Factor .. Mr. "Whack a mole - Two Cent Troll - Flufferspeak" -- your words .. not mine -- in desperate attempt to totally project your failings onto others.


Speak -- the podium is yours .. Tell us what you have concluded about Covid from Red vs Blue .. one donut or two. Tell us about the Fatty Factor.
Taking my e-aspirin now.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
If you looked at the bans, many were at the high school level. Have you looked at what is being banned or are you merely repeating what you've been told?
  • Overwhelmingly, book banners continue to target stories by and about people of color and LGBTQ+ individuals.In this six-month period, 30% of the unique titles banned are books about race, racism, or feature characters of color. Meanwhile, 26% of unique titles banned have LGBTQ+ characters or themes.
  • Due to cases where long lists of books are removed for further investigation, bans this school year are increasingly affecting a wider swath of titles, including those that portray violence and abuse (44%), discuss topics of health and wellbeing (38%), and cover death and grief (30%).This illuminates how censorship impacts a wide array of books, particularly as school districts respond to vague legislation by removing large numbers of books prior to any formal review.
  • The process behind book challenges and bans is evolving. During the 2021-22 school year, parent-led groups coordinated to advance book censorship. These groups pressured districts to remove books without following their own policies, even in some cases, removing books without reading them. That trend has continued in the 2022-23 school year, but it has also been supercharged by a new source of pressure: state legislation. School districts in many states are reacting to new laws that dictate the types of books that can even bein schools, or what kinds of policies they have to follow to add new books and review their collections.
  • Books are more frequently labeled “pornographic” or “indecent.” Dozens of books were targeted for removal in the 2021-22 school year on the basis that they contained sexual content. But since last summer, this framing has become an increasing focus of activists and politicians to justify removing books that do not remotely fit the well-established legal and colloquial definitions of “pornography.” Rhetoric about “porn in schools” has also been advanced as justification for the passage or introduction of new state laws, some of which would bar any books with sexual content and could easily sweep up a wide swath of literature and health-related content.
    • The full impact of the book ban movement is greater than can be counted, as “wholesale bans” are restricting access to untold numbers of books in classrooms and school libraries. This school year, numerous states enacted “wholesale bans” in which entire classrooms and school libraries have been suspended, closed, or emptied of books, either permanently or temporarily. This is largely because teachers and librarians in several states have been directed to catalog entire collections for public scrutiny within short timeframes, under threat of punishment from new, vague laws. These “wholesale bans,” have involved the culling of books that were previously available to students, in ways that are impossible to track or quantify.
That is correct... age appropriate unless you don't mind three year olds playing with guns and elementary school children seeing porn.

Not to mention this site seems awfully biased.

Not censoring but rather putting the books at age appropriate levels. Thank you for supporting my position.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
"Free speech" has it's limitations, such as "shouting fire in a theater" if there's no fire. Or how about those who passed on classified information to the Soviets or, later, the Russians? Or preventing reporters from seeing detained "illegals".

It's not an either/or thingy, so it has to be handled with kid gloves and why we have courts.

Free speech is an important thing to consider, but so is watching millions of people dying because of misinformation, such as vaccines and masks don't work.
The problems with that is the COVID episode censored medical professionals. Did you ever hear of a second opinion in medicine? Didn't the censorship benefit the one political party, during an election year, such as the Hunter Biden laptop? Censorship was also useful for election tampering.

Yelling fire in a theater is often used as a reason to censor, but wasn't the Russian Collusion Coup an analogous example of yelling fire, and causing a stampede, that would divide the country. Was anyone yelling collusion fired arrested? Fake news would shouting down those who said there was no fire, who were trying to prevent injury from stampede, while they would yell fire even louder.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The problems with that is the COVID episode censored medical professionals. Did you ever hear of a second opinion in medicine? Didn't the censorship benefit the one political party, during an election year, such as the Hunter Biden laptop? Censorship was also useful for election tampering.
That's nothing more than childish made-up nonsense as the research on the vaccines is well-established. And let me just remind you that Hunter Biden is not Joe Biden, plus you are assuming guilt, which is unAmerican per the Constitution.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Not censoring but rather putting the books at age appropriate levels.
And this has been going on for many, many decades by local school boards across the country, but it was the like of DeSantis and his "culture wars" nonsense that brought it to national attention with his unconservative "solutions".
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I don't think this was a fire in the movie theater...

Controlling all questions and medical viewpoints that are contrary to the "status quo" is thought control and totalitarianism. There is a reason they fear freedom of speech. There is a reason why people don't like freedom of speech. Your voice may be next if you don't agree with the government.
You don't? Really? Over one million American citizens died from COVID. Many of those were preventable.
Actually, that sounds much worse than yelling fire in a movie theatre.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Yes.. we do have to be careful because any party will continue doing what becomes the norm.

As far as books... no one silenced the books, they simply moved it to age appropriate areas unless you don't mind have 3 year olds playing with guns.
Did you just compare books to guns?
 
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