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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Rival, Jan 13, 2021 at 5:25 AM.

  1. Conscious thoughts

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    Sunnah is the teaching of how prophet Muhammed lived and practiced. As a sufi the sunnah is very important to understand and follow, og course it take time to start living by those guidelines sunnah giving. :)

    To become as close to our prophet we try to think, act and speak accord to how Muhammed did it.

    I know others will disagree with my post here, but that is ok :)
     
  2. firedragon

    firedragon Well-Known Member

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    That does not answer the question of the OP. Sorry brother, but it seems like you saw an opportunity to take a put shot and you took it. Surprising really.

    When someone asks a question, try and answer it, not pick one sentence and use it to hurl at someone. It is beneath you my friend.
     
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  3. firedragon

    firedragon Well-Known Member

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    Is it irony or providence that you picked an "Anti Sunnah" website for a "Sunnah" topic? ;)
     
  4. firedragon

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    Rival. I dont think that's valid. Yes, Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, but they dont believe Christianity is the same religion as Islam. Maybe I have misunderstood you so you could correct me.

    There is a Jewish group that I know of who call themselves some Jewish name which I dont recall correctly. I have a friend and his family are all part of this church or synagogue as they call it. They dont believe in a inheritance based on lineage or blood but anyone could convert and join this church. They believe Jesus was a prophet of God, and that he was the messiah, but they dont believe in a trinity or that Jesus was divine.

    I know this very different from the Judaism that we know of. But they call themselves Jewish and their religion Judaism. Is it the same religion or is it a cut away branch?

    Consider Christianity and Islam the same way. I am not arguing that Islam is the right religion or if it is correct, but I am trying to show you the concept of Islam. If you read the Quran it never uses the word "Christianity" or "Christian", it says "Nasara". It is a reference we associate with Christians. Thus, it does not address the religion of Christianity. The correct reference for Christianity should be something like "Al Masiheeun" which is the exact, direct translation of the word Christianity.

    Yes, the Islamic concept is that Jesus was a Muslim, and his followers were Muslim. Same with Abraham. Thus, saying if you take out half the practices, Christianity would no longer be Christianity is true in a way. But what does that make? Maybe lets say if you take out the trinity, and make it one God, it becomes an absolutely monotheistic faith like Judaism or Islam. What else could we make out of it?

    Maybe I did not understand you.
     
  5. TagliatelliMonster

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    I tend to agree with that.

    It's also an obviously false claim, since the oldest religions are not at all monotheistic.
     
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  6. danieldemol

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    So what of things like praying facing Mecca 5 times a day facing Mecca?

    Do Muslims claim that Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus did this?

    Because if they didn't that would appear to bring us back to @Rival 's point that if you took a religion and changed the practices in it it is essentially a different religion.
     
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  7. Rival

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    Not sure what you are taking about here? I picked these all myself and took the quotes from no one particular place.
     
  8. Rival

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    I was giving an example.

    If we take all the sunnah practices out of Islam, is it any longer Islam? Referring to the Qur'an quote that I referenced earlier saying that Noah etc. all had the same religion. If they haven't Muhammad's sunnah, is it still Islam? is my question.
     
  9. firedragon

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    Haha. No worries. You gave a link to submission.org, which is an anti sunnah website.

    Anyway I was only kidding with you at the irony.
     
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  10. stvdv

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    This time you have it wrong my friend. I did answer to the OP. But I admit it was a bit of a hidden question, not easy to see obviously. And this has nothing to do with taking a shot. I can't help that some religious people misbehave, but they should be grateful when their mistakes are pointed out.

    My Master taught us "IF someone criticizes you, what should you do?":
    1: IF he is right THEN you should thank him, as he gave you the opportunity to improve yourself
    2: IF he is wrongTHEN you need not worry at all, because he is wrong, not you. Then he has something to worry.
     
  11. firedragon

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    Well, again, its not Muhammeds Sunnah. It is the messengers Sunnah. I think you missed that whole post.

    And to answer your question, yes, even if you want to take away all of the Sunnah of the messenger, it is still Islam.

    Ironically, you quoted a website that is absolutely with out any Sunnah of the messenger. Zilch. I mean zero. And they are also still Muslims. Just to reiterate, you could go through the same website you quoted. www.submission.org.
     
  12. firedragon

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    My master told me to investigate when you are given information.
     
  13. Rival

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    That's intriguing.

    So, for example, where do things like how to make correct wudu come from? Or is this not a big issue?

    I suppose what I'm trying to ask is, how would a Muslim know how to go about his daily life without the sunnah, any sunnah? E.g., what does he pray over his food? What does he wear? Etc.

    Thanks.
     
  14. stvdv

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    That is good advice. I always do. IF this is a silent hint that I did not investigate your info THEN I can tell you that I did. But I thought that my reply was enough info for you to find the hidden question yourself. But if you still don't see it then I can point it out clearly to you.
     
  15. firedragon

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    Thats because you have a prototype understanding of a religion and are not quite aware of it.

    To answer your question, no, Muslims dont claim that all of those prophets you mentioned "did this". Also, Mecca, according to Muslim traditions is a new "qibla". So earlier, according to them, it was Jerusalem.
     
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    How to make Wudhu is explicitly explained in the Quran, and you had already given that verse.

    Nevertheless, some of the ahadith on this practice has a slight difference. Which means they are either complementing or contradicting the Quran. So if you want to be strict with it, go to the Quran. Simple.

    This will not make you a non-muslim. :)

    You have built a very narrow idea of what Islam is. If you think "Islam" is what you wear, what you recite over food etc that's absolutely false. I am actually a bit surprised at that.

    Even according to some of the oldest scholarship/schools of thought in Islam, there are two ideas about Sunnah. One is ahadith, the other is tradition of Medina.

    Lets take the head cap that Muslims wear as an example. Some Muslims take it as Sunnah to wear it. But where does it come from? It has no real foundation anywhere.

    Also, the most important Sunnah of the prophet Muslims are told repeatedly to practice in the Maliki School is to use the voice of reason. This is a Sunnah.

    I hope you understand.
     
  17. firedragon

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    Of course it was good advice. It was God's. ;) My master is God. The Quran says the only Maula is God himself. So this "advice" is a verse of the Quran.

    :)
     
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  18. danieldemol

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    Can you rephrase, I don't get what you mean by a 'prototype understanding' of religion.
     
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    I do get this, but a religion tends to need practice, festivals etc. So yes, while these things may not be strictly required, religion as a whole tends to need rituals etc. which make people 'feel', for perhaps lack of a better word, religious. As though they are actively doing something for their god.
     
  20. firedragon

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    Thats not Islam.

    What you are speaking of is one portion of Islam. In fact, please dont get offended by this yet its easier to say that you imposing this upon Islam. Even Muslim traditions dont make you "no Islam" due to getting rid of one of these things like festivals.

    You know something? Al Azhar university and its teen are considered very high authority in Islam. And some of the Muslims that I know of consider them fanatical. I mean some. Even this so called "fanatical" entity does not make this claim that you do.

    If you have some time, take up a writing of Imam Malik Ibn Anas. This guy is the oldest school of though in Islam. I mean older than all the other traditions in the history of Islam. To stress upon it, it is older than Bukhari, Tirmidhi, Hanbali, Hanafi, Shafii, Ashari, Wahabi, Zahiri, Deobandi, this, that, and the other. Just read it. You will understand Islam better.

    Dont believe it. But know it.

    Peace.
     
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