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Summary execution for mass murderers.

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Xavier Graham, May 21, 2022.

  1. Xavier Graham

    Xavier Graham Your local anarchist. God is Love is Love is Love

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    I’ve felt sickened ever since I saw the news of the Buffalo shooting. I am following the news story, though I shouldn’t as it’s just making me sad and anxious to go out.
    I say, if there is no doubt in mind as to who the perpetrator of a mass murder is, then their trial should be expedited and they should be executed summarily. Like within a week or so. I’m sure many of these psychos value their own lives. The Buffalo shooter didn’t blow his brains out. He’s a coward. He pleaded not guilty because he wants attention and a long trial. What if we just killed him? Due process? Expedite it. The guy obviously did it. His appeal? Give him a day. Execute him promptly. Mass shooters are cowards who often are too scared to die themselves. So what if we killed them? Perhaps that would deter some.
    I’m just mad and sickened
     
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    I sympathize with the sentiment but I think justice should be blind and they should be given as fair a trial as possible. Also there should be investigation to figure out if there is more to the story. Perhaps someone aided the shooter. If you execute him to early then you risk never finding that out. So I'm voting nay on the expediation.
     
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  3. Debater Slayer

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    On paper, the idea might sound emotionally satisfying, but human nature is too fickle and inconsistent for summary execution not to eventually be abused and employed to frame and eliminate innocent people.

    Besides, once that door is opened, where do we draw the line? Is a mass murderer more deserving of summary execution than, say, a rapist or a child molester? What about mass murderers who have mental issues that require professional care rather than execution?

    It's a rabbit hole that I don't believe any society should let itself go down. What starts out as a righteously indignant exception may well descend into a normalized, lethal tool of political and social oppression.
     
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  4. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Speaking as an outsider to american justice, summary execution, although emotionally pleasing, should never be considered. The law has developed over a couple of hundred years to be fair and unbiased :shrug:, it should take its course, and if found guilty without mitigation the the full weight of the law needs to jump on the guilty party with a heavy hand. There may however be mitigating which summary execution can not consider.
     
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  5. danieldemol

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    Would you kill a wolf for eating meat if you could safely isolate it from your livestock?

    If so why? Is it because it fulfills a sadistic desire to see something suffer for being the way nature/nurture made it?

    How about if you drew the genetic and or nurture short straw in life and were the killer, would you want to be killed for something which is a fault of nature not of your own when you could be safely isolated and perhaps even have your fault rectified in the future through advances in science? All to fulfill a sick emotional need for revenge which is itself a defect of nature?

    How strongly do you believe in free-will? I'd argue that *if* you dont believe in it throwing away an entire human just because of a brain or environmental defect makes as little sense as throwing away an entire car due to a faulty steering wheel or due to a pothole in the road.

    In my opinion.
     
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    Had they executed Saul for his treatment of Christians, we wouldn't have a Saint Paul.

    People change, and 18-year-olds are works in progress.
    He decided to summarily destroy something that annoyed or threatened him. If this was wrong, in his case, why would it be right for us?
     
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  7. Heyo

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    Try and put yourself in the shoes of the shooter.
    Oh, wait, you already did. He believes in a society where he who has the superior firepower has the right to kill "inferior" people. If he could convince you so easily of his idea, he won.
     
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  8. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Sorry, strong believer in a justice system that provides equal protection for all -- and especially that doesn't jump to conclusions (especially "final" ones).
     
  9. Suave

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    I'd like the white supremacist mass murderer be imprisoned for the rest of his expected short life in a racially integrated correctional facility, where there would then also be a dead man walking.
     
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  10. Twilight Hue

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    I think that decision ought to be left to the victims families to decide.
     
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  11. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Would that include racial killings by other races or just whites?
     
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    I'm all about due process but after that, yes, he should be executed.
     
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    As far as I know, besides white supremacists, there are hardly any other racial supremacists.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    That's not realistic at all. But you are self simulated, so I guess reality dosent matter.
     
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    Hmm;
    Black supremacy - Wikipedia
     
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    The United States has a horrible history of capital punishment; it is too often imposed on the poor and people of color, but not upon the white and well-to-do who commit similar crimes. Either our laws of due process apply to all, or they are bankrupt.
     
  17. Mock Turtle

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    I think you are wrong on this, and that it is the fact that many don't value their own lives as to why some might kill others. The numbers who die at the hands of the police or by their own hand might suggest such - that their life is just not worth living and hence are capable of such horrific acts before they die themselves. So a last act of vengeance or hatred expressed perhaps. Not all of course. And the death penalty seemingly has never been a deterrent, plus there are always mistakes such as wrongful convictions.
     
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