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Student who intervened and confronted bully shot and killed.

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Father Heathen, Feb 9, 2020.

  1. Mestemia

    Mestemia Advocatus Diaboli
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    Or he could have purchased it off the street, or it could have been given to him.
    He might have found it.

    There are a number of ways to obtain a firearm that does not amount to theft.
     
  2. Mestemia

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    I agree.
    Thus the reason I referred to it as a buzz word
     
  3. Stanyon

    Stanyon WWMRD?

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    True, but if I were to bet on it I'd say that it is far more likely he stole it from a family member.
     
  4. Mestemia

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    Damn.
    I have to agree with this point.
    jerk
     
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  5. Stanyon

    Stanyon WWMRD?

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    Not required does not mean they won't, over the last ten years in the four state area I am in the dealers at gun shows will do the instant background check. Over the years the hobby gun dealers have pretty much been put out of business due to changes to FFL licensing laws. No dealer unless they are just plain stupid will risk losing their business, fined thousands of dollars etc. By selling a gun knowingly to someone who cannot legally own one. Firearms found at crime scenes or on criminals are traced back to it's source. We had requests come in from now and then to get the information on the origin of firearms when I worked in that business. You are also required to keep all transaction records for at least seven years (if I remember correctly) and can be audited by the BATF at anytime, discrepencies can result in large fines or getting shut down.
     
  6. Shadow Wolf

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    Hobby sellers, for anything, aren't "in business." Not when it comes to law or taxes. Hobby and business are two different things.
     
  7. Stanyon

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    People used to get FFL licenses cheap and some would actually sell from their garage but that did not exclude them from keeping records or paying taxes.
     
  8. Salvador

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    Of course, I'm not suggesting children be armed at school; although perhaps, we can agree trustworthy teachers and school administrations should be packing some heat like they do in Israel.

    Reference: Armed teachers, guards bolster school security in Israel

    If teachers don't wish to do the job of securing their classrooms, retired vets or retired policemen could fill this gap. ....:)


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  9. Shadow Wolf

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    We are talking about people who are legally allowed to sell without acquiring FFL licensure.
     
  10. Stanyon

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    Which makes up a very miniscule market, firearms bought, sold, or traded in that manner are typically between people that already know each other. In a private sale If a person knowingly or could be reasonably expected to know if a person is a convicted felon then they themselves are committing a felony if they sell a firearm to them. If that gun shows up at a crime scene or after an arrest the police will then track down the last known owner and start asking questions. Straw purchasers typically do not have long careers once a few guns turn up confiscated by police and are traced back to them.
     
  11. esmith

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    and your point is?
     
  12. Bob the Unbeliever

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    False. We have a FINE example from back in the 1890s, in the USA-- something people have falsely romanticized too: The Wild Wild West-- where everyone carried a gun, and Lawlessness was The Rule of the Day.

    Worse: In any gun-confrontation, there is a Very Good Reason why Cops and other Legal Authority wear recognizable Uniforms: Unlike the Fictional Wild West? You cannot use White Hats versus Black Hats to tell the Bad Guys from some idiot with a gun who's "Just trying to help".

    Some gun-toting nutjob pulls out a gun and starts blazing away-- meanwhile the cops are on the way-- and some well-meaning gun-toting citizen shoots back.

    When the cops show up? WHO DO THEY SHOOT? HOW CAN THEY TELL WHO'S THE BAD GUY AND WHO'S JUST SOME OTHER NUTTER WITH A GUN?

    Answer: Shoot everybody WITH a gun, that's how, and let God sort'em out.
     
  13. Thief

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    so...we are not actually discussing the mentality of an adolescent
    who plays the part of the bully
    and is willing to kill
    to play that part
     
  14. Bob the Unbeliever

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    I'm not an anti-gun: I own several. I'm pro-WELL REGULATED. A vast difference between ammosexuals, who want to be able to carry Anti-Tank Rifles around in public, and possibly nuclear hand grenades too.

    NOBODY but NOBODY needs to open carry a Battle Rifle, semi-auto or otherwise. NOBODY.

    Except for SWAT teams, but even those, I question how easy it is to call them up-- yes, there ARE situations where SWAT is called for. But those are far more rare than not.

    Worse: Once you HAVE A Bureaucratic Creation? You feel obligated to "justify" it's existence. Exactly as in the movie Blue Thunder. The Bureaucrats had created that monster-- now they needed to show it was needed.
     
  15. Father Heathen

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    Take any mass shooting in recent history and imagine if they had attempted to use a musket instead.
     
  16. Father Heathen

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    In their minds if you don't think firearms should be freely dispensed like candy, then you must be %100 anti-gun and %100 pro-ban. There's no compromise or middle ground in their minds. The case of the ghastly gun grabbers is the scaremongering tale yokels tell around the campfire to spook each other.
     
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    When I made this thread, it wasn't intended to solely be a 2A discussion, so go ahead and steer it in that direction, albeit not as cryptic gobbledygook.
     
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    so your fellowman cannot be trusted with more than one shot?

    was it not one bullet fired by an assassin that started a world war?

    I know...….
    allow ANY and ALL who want to......
    to carry a one shot pistol

    the bad guys will still have their semi-auto
    but hey
    self defense is plausible …..one shot......right?
     
  19. Revoltingest

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    The term "loophole" is a poor term.
    Some might call it a "dog whistle" for opponents of a policy.
    Texas specifically allows private sales without a background check.
    Gun shows are merely a venue where people meet to buy & sell.
    In Michiganistan (& other states) we have stricter requirements.
    My CPL/CCW gives me pre-approval to buy handguns (background
    check having already been done).
     
  20. Father Heathen

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    ...and the price of tea in China?
     
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