Straight Pride Parade

[Enoch07]

I more or less have overcome years of Schizophrenia.

Most of us have issues of some type. Its ok.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Most of us have issues of some type. Its ok.

It isn't. Pre-Schizophrenia, I was a real genius. The next Sheldon Cooper. I thought I would go places in life like my brother. I was starting to. Then it struck me. The delusions. The cognitive dissonance. The fuzzy thinking. I've had to fight tooth and nail to get that shadow of myself back.

 

[HonestJoe]

It always seemed odd to me to take pride in something you haven't actually accomplished. Sexual orientation isn't an achievement, any more than left handedness or blue eyes.
I can appreciate such parades as celebrations, perhaps, but I wouldn't take any personal pride in my orientation, race or nationality.

That’s a common misunderstanding (and often intentional misinterpretation) and in hindsight, Pride might not have been the best choice of name for the events. It came about based on the previous established social principle that homosexuals should feel shame for what and who they were and the literal opposite of shame would be pride. In practice though, it’s about that middle ground of neither shame or pride, just being.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

It always seemed odd to me to take pride in something you haven't actually accomplished. Sexual orientation isn't an achievement, any more than left handedness or blue eyes.
I can appreciate such parades as celebrations, perhaps, but I wouldn't take any personal pride in my orientation, race or nationality.

But that's just me.

The point of gay "pride" events is to show they have nothing to be ashamed of, to overcome stigma. It's not about being proud of being gay, per se.

 

[Shad]

Milo Yiannopoulos named marshal for 'Straight Pride' parade

Maybe the straight pride parade will be gay enough now?

Troll parade more like it.

 

[dybmh]

@Enoch07 , Maybe this was already addressed ( I haven't read the entire thread ), but I'm curious about your opinion:

The article references "Super Happy Fun America, a group that advocates on behalf of the straight community," In your opinion, does the straight community need advocacy? If so, why?

 

[Valjean]

The point of gay "pride" events is to show they have nothing to be ashamed of, to overcome stigma. It's not about being proud of being gay, per se.

Understood, and I agree with the sentiment. I've marched in pride parades with gay friends myself. But, as HonestJoe pointed out, "pride" isn't the best term for the movement. IMHO, pride is more than a lack of shame. It should be reserved for achievements.

 

[SkepticThinker]

My point is that if the Gay community wants their rights, then the same counts for the straight community too. But there will not be peace between those groups as long as someone makes fun of the other groups. why not try to work together to celebrate being a human being, instead of pulling the sexuality on to the streets? Just be a human being, that is enough

Well the thing is, "the straight community" already have the rights that gay people had/have to fight tooth and nail for. That might be the difference.

 

[HonestJoe]

Understood, and I agree with the sentiment. I've marched in pride parades with gay friends myself. But, as HonestJoe pointed out, "pride" isn't the best term for the movement. IMHO, pride is more than a lack of shame. It should be reserved for achievements.

I said it wasn’t the best choice in hindsight. It is the commonly recognised name for this kind of event now and the purpose is perfectly understandable by anyone who doesn’t want to wilfully misrepresent it. I don’t think the effort they’d have to put in to agree on and establish a new name for the events would be worth it. It isn’t going to change anyone’s attitude and would only serve as ammunition for those who would misrepresent the meaning in the first place.

 

[dybmh]

@Amanaki ,

This is something that I have mentioned in the past; isolation can lead to a lack of empathy. Perhaps the reason you are not aware of why LGBTQ+ people feel persecuted is because, literally, you are not aware of it.

Also, aversion is a form of attachment. If a person feels uncomfortable in the presence of people showing affection for each other, the discomfort ( in my opinion ) is a distraction. On a deeper level, isn't the affection people express for each other more significant than the physical activity?

 

[The Reverend Bob]

I don't mean this as an attack on the Gay community, but if they had acted more natural

Please clarify this statement. Are you saying that gay people behave "unnaturally"?

 

[dybmh]

Not unnatural, but maybe some, not all do act a little over the top to get attention. But i do not judge them, i only asked a question, but now it look like you turning against me because i dare to seak and ask questions

I saw the same thing in your reply, my friend. Determining that 1 form of physical affection between adults is natural, and another form of physical affection is unnatural specifically based on venue is an attachment.

Whether or not this attachment is constructive or destructive depends on an indidivual's goals for themselves.

This isn't an attack, I'm trying to help you. Using the word "unnatural" when describing people engaging in physical affection with someone of the same gender is **very painful** for some people to read/hear. I think it's something you should keep in mind.

And

If seeing people engage in this activity renders discomfort; I think that should be examined. It could be an unrecognized anchor.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not unnatural, but maybe some, not all do act a little over the top to get attention. But I do not judge them, I only asked a question, but now it looks like you turning against me because I dare to speak and ask questions

You're basically asking in a way that blames the victim. It doesn't matter how they act, being gay is enough to be "unnatural" and deserving of violence in the eyes of some, put to death according to some. But it wouldn't have happened if they just acted as I expected them to, just as I beat my wife because she doesn't behave and I raped that girl because she asked for it the way she was dressed.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I have deleted all my previous posts in this treated. because it turned in to an attack of my personally, and that will not benefit this thread.

I understand even i am not against Gay people, there will not be a rightful discussion
I am trully sorry if i offended any of your guys, that was not my intention.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

I have deleted all my previous posts in this treated. because it turned in to an attack of my personally, and that will not benefit this thread.

I understand even i am not against Gay people, there will not be a rightful discussion
I am trully sorry if i offended any of your guys, that was not my intention.

No one was attacking you personally, all I wanted is to clarify what you meant.

 

[dybmh]

I have deleted all my previous posts in this treated. because it turned in to an attack of my personally, and that will not benefit this thread.

It would have been better to delete them because their words would have been painful for others to read.

 

[Spirit of Light]

No one was attacking you personally, all I wanted is to clarify what you meant.

ok. My view is tha sexuality is a personal matter and does not need to be shown toward other than the one you love. If people want to be with person of same gender, ok, no problem for me.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Understood, and I agree with the sentiment. I've marched in pride parades with gay friends myself. But, as HonestJoe pointed out, "pride" isn't the best term for the movement. IMHO, pride is more than a lack of shame. It should be reserved for achievements.

You need a french-sounding term.

Like the La Cage aux Folles parade.

 

[dybmh]

What is the difference between physical affection and exhibitionism?

When people are engaged in physical affection, their enjoyment is derived from each other. When people are engaged in exhibitionism, their enjoyment is derived from other people watching or the risk of being caught doing something naughty.

When people are involved in a physical activity in public, if it's exhibitionism, A negative reaction nurtures the exhibitionism.

Because of this, if exhibitionism is something that is deemed morally unfavorable, the best thing to do is ignore it.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

What is the difference between physical affection and exhibitionism?

When people are engaged in physical affection, their enjoyment is derived from each other. When people are engaged in exhibitionism, their enjoyment is derived from other people watching or the risk of being caught doing something naughty.

When people are involved in a physical activity in public, if it's exhibitionism, A negative reaction nurtures the exhibitionism.

Because of this, if exhibitionism is something that is deemed morally unfavorable, the best thing to do is ignore it.

We can be a passionate species. Spontaneous displays of joy and affection should not surprise or disgust anyone, rather we should be happy that people can find joy and display affection towards each other in this world.