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Straight People Don't Exist, Research Says

Shad

Veteran Member
The notion that sex has a purpose, such as reproduction, seems to me a curious artifact of pre-scientific, teleological thinking.

Sex has a biological function which is used to accomplish a purpose which is reproduction.

Evolution teaches us that things evolved functions, rather than evolved to serve purposes. Thus, nothing prevents something from evolving multiple functions.

Not in this case as the purpose, reproduction, is containing within a specific function of a body with no natural alternative in many species.

Eyes for instance. They obviously function to detect light. But in some primates, including us, they are also involved in communication and mate attraction.

Poor comparison as as sight is merely one sensory function out of many which sex is not.

It seems quite obvious to me that sex has multiple functions in our species. Including reproduction -- but it is also involved in emotionally bonding individuals to each other, and in psychological, emotional, and physical health, among other things.

This is product of a large and more complex brain than sex itself.

I do not find the notion that sex serves a purpose, and only a single purpose at that, to be compelling.

There are no alternative to reproduction. You are conflating utility with purpose.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
I live a happy life with my female finceè
and one other thing i do think homoseual intercourse is a wrong action to do (i dont condem gay people) but why would i even think of being interested in a male?

it is not a mind/ thought thing.
It is a physical/ response thing.

Testing seems to show most men are turned on by sex, male or female.

Personally I don't like the idea and have no interest in men , but if it is true it is true.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Sex has a biological function which is used to accomplish a purpose which is reproduction.



Not in this case as the purpose, reproduction, is containing within a specific function of a body with no natural alternative in many species.



Poor comparison as as sight is merely one sensory function out of many which sex is not.



This is product of a large and more complex brain than sex itself.



There are no alternative to reproduction. You are conflating utility with purpose.


It's fascinating that you think things evolve for a purpose.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
It's fascinating that you think things evolve for a purpose.

No I said functions have a purpose due to evolution. Hence why humans naturally (as opposed to technological and medical) only have 1 form of reproduction instead of 2 or 4. You are conflating purpose as in intent (personal) rather as a reason why X happened. Other forms of reproduction are unsuitable for higher forms of life as far as we know.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
No I said functions have a purpose due to evolution. Hence why humans naturally only have 1 form of reproduction instead of 2 or 4. You are conflating purpose as in intent (personal) rather as a reason why X happened. Other forms of reproduction are unsuitable for higher forms of life as far as we know.

So are you saying that purpose is a reason why X happened in evolution? Not sure I understand you here.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
So are you saying that purpose is a reason why X happened in evolution? Not sure I understand you here.

Purpose has more definitions than merely an intent driven goal. Sexual reproduction is not merely a bodily function of humans but of mammals thus part of a genetic heritage. The alternative were weeded out by natural selection millions if not billions of years ago. Ergo sexual reproduction has a purpose while having utility depending on the species.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Purpose has more definitions than merely an intent driven goal. Sexual reproduction is not merely a bodily function of humans but of mammals thus part of a genetic heritage.

So how are you defining the difference between purpose and function?
 

Shad

Veteran Member
So how are you defining the difference between purpose and function?

Purpose is the why does X happen. Function as a verb ergo the X itself. I am not using purpose as a God one.

My comment was to show purpose is not merely confined to a theological definition.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
it is not a mind/ thought thing.
It is a physical/ response thing.

Testing seems to show most men are turned on by sex, male or female.

Personally I don't like the idea and have no interest in men , but if it is true it is true.

Well as i tried to explain i do not get turned on, because i dont see the need of it anymore. my fiancè is to sick to be doing those things (she has physical pain in body) so we live in form of celibasy. but that does not mean i must run after other people
 

Audie

Veteran Member
As i answered many times now, i only have eyes for my fiancè i have no need of other people in my life in the way the tread is talking about.

Why do people think i would say one thing and do something else?

The more you protest-
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I only answer honestly as i always do. But i do not understand why people want to push homosexual thoughts on someone who are NOT a gay person.

Can anyone explain why they can not take my answer and say ok he is not gay and he does not care about men????
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
"A 2015 study shows that human sexuality is fluid and women are hornier than you think.

A 2015 study published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology undermines long held beliefs about heteronormative sexual orientation. The study looks at gender expression in women and measures their physiological response viewing a variety of pornographic material. It found that, regardless of how women self report their sexuality, their bodies respond positively to both hetero- and homosexual sex. Meaning, women's sexuality is complex and not within the bounds of strict hetero- or homosexuality.

Following popular logic, sexuality is thought of as straight or gay. Bisexuality has only recently begun to be taken seriously. The idea of separate, static, and neatly defined sexual orientations is woven into the fabric of American society and is part of our cultural conception of gender itself; real men are masculine and attracted to women.

The results of Savin-Williams' study challenges deeply held cultural beliefs about sexuality, but he's not surprised to find that sexuality is more complex than gay and straight. "I'm certainly not surprised," he says. "We're trying to get at the way people really are. Sometimes, it seems people are one way but believe they have to report themselves in another way, and that's not good."

Savin-Williams explains that the motivation for individuals to inaccurately self report their desire is a consequence of restrictive social influence: the norms that determine how individuals are perceived and treated. He's been working on an idea that he calls the mostly straight male. "We've always recognized mostly straight women, that is, women who mostly are straight but if the right woman comes along, well maybe she'll try it out. We used to think that was only a female phenomenon."

"We show straight men a picture of a woman masturbating and they respond just like a straight guy, but then you also show them a guy masturbating and their eyes dilate a little bit. So we're actually able to show physiologically that all guys are not either gay, straight, or bi." The various parts of Savin-Williams' study collectively address sexuality in both men and women, showing that boring ideas, such as that people are either 100 percent straight or gay, don't endure under objective, scientific scrutiny.

"I do see this loosening of the boundaries," [Savin-Williams ] says. "I think that's happening for both sexes. It's probably a good thing, because it gives kids growing up more diversity, more options, so they don't feel like they have to fit in [at all costs]. Straight women and straight men feel much more comfortable than ever before in going into the realm of the other sex in terms of gender role and how they act."

Even though an individual with an LGBT gender or sexual identity may endure undue social discrimination and prejudice, from the perspective of one's humanity, it may be a privilege to be queer, because you've been given cause to question the norms that govern identity in a way heterosexual, cisgender individuals may not have. Repressive gender culture might cause material harm to people who fall closer to the queer part of the continuum, but those boundaries limit everybody by disallowing the individual to explore the depth, breadth, and scope of their humanity.

"If you look at women, the self esteem of lesbian women tends to be higher than that of straight women," Savin-Williams explains. "Maybe they feel like they have more freedom [to be who they really are]. Granted, society may not always like it, but it is your own authentic self."

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I must be gay .i think guys are great.

And who thinks women are not "horny"... Obviously the researchers dont get out much.

Seriously, Alfred Kinsey brought this out into the open 70 years ago
Kinsey scale - Wikipedia
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
What most people overlook in reporting Kinsey on the matter is that Kinsey was speculating. He never -- so far as I know -- did any actual experiments to support his "scale". It was pure speculative hypothesis mostly based on his "discovery" of bi-sexual men.

However, there might be some support for it from other researchers by now. I myself don't know. I've never seen any experimental support -- but then, I've never seen Paris, either. On the other hand, all the experimental studies I've seen indicate that straight men tend to be strictly straight -- especially when compared to straight women, who only tend to be "mostly straight", as they call it.

In the article, Savin-Williams vaguely refers to some study or study he's done on straight men that he thinks suggests straight men might be like women in being "mostly straight" rather than "strictly straight". But his method was to rely on pupil dilation -- the studies I've seen used more precise methods than that to arrive at their conclusion that straight men tend to be strictly straight.

Who really knows though?

As far as i am aware Kinsey used data from several thousand interviews
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
As i answered many times now, i only have eyes for my fiancè i have no need of other people in my life in the way the tread is talking about.

Why do people think i would say one thing and do something else?
The fact you seem to think it's a matter of choice bemuses me.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Well i was born straight and will stay straight the rest of my life.
If someone are born gay then they stay gay the rest of their life, that is no problem to me. But in this tread many have try to convince me that i am gay, somthing that is not true. So why keep nagging on it toward someone who are straight?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Sex has a biological function which is used to accomplish a purpose which is reproduction.

Not in this case as the purpose, reproduction, is containing within a specific function of a body with no natural alternative in many species.

Poor comparison as as sight is merely one sensory function out of many which sex is not.

This is product of a large and more complex brain than sex itself.

There are no alternative to reproduction. You are conflating utility with purpose.
Sorry, you are very badly informed about this, while trying to sound as if you really know what you are talking about.

Yes, sex is how we reproduce, and without sex we would not reproduce. But that doesn't mean by a long stretch that that is only what sex is for. You can study humans, and our close relatives the bonobos (pygmy chimpanzees) and see that sex is also very much a romantic glue that keeps parents together in mutual support during the infancy of offspring. (That part much more in humans than bonobos, because bonobos don't pair bond, but bring up infants as a community, primarily by their mothers). But sex also has a very social purpose, and that more in bonobos than humans. It is used as a way to "be nice to one another."

Bonobos use sexual activity in a variety of ways, such as greeting, forming social bonds, conflict resolution, and post-conflict reconciliation. They are the only non-human animal to have been observed engaging in tongue kissing, in typically engaging in face-to-face genital sex.

When a new source of food is discovered, there will often be communal sexual activity, which seems to decrease tension and encourage peaceful feeding.

Bonobo females have much larger and more external clitorises than most mammals, and many times each day, in many different pairings, females will press their genitals together in what is called genito-genital (GG) rubbing. This sexual activity, which is certainly not about reproduction, happens within the immediate female bonobo community and sometimes outside of it. Females will do this, on average, about once every two hours.

Bonobo males engage in various forms of male–male genital behavior, too, most often one mounting the other in a similar fashion to hetero mounting: one will sit passively on his back while the other male thrusts on him. " They often hang together from a tree and engage in “penis fencing,” and have been observed masturbating one another and engaging in oral sex. Males also tongue kiss together sometimes. Male-to-male sexual activity is less frequent than female-to-female.

So clearly, sex, which may be reproductive, also has other functions.
 
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