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Still love your guns, America? Fourteen elementary kids and teacher killed in Texas

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
While this is tremendously sad, I cant help but wonder why an 18 year old would shoot up an elementary school.

I know many hundreds of people who own guns. All of them are responsible and haven't went out shooting up places or killing people.
Its a people problem, not a gun problem.
That's why I maintain it isn't guns. I had a rifle in my school for christ sake! Yea. We had guns in school! Carried by students!

We were not a psychopathic generation , unlike the one that exists now. That's the main problem.

It's not guns. It's a chronic psychopathic generation of young people now that is causing most of the problems.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Please rest assured, most Americans are sick and tired of having to mourn the deaths of mass shootings, Sensible gun control measures will soon be enacted!

I'm not sure whether sensible gun laws will soon be enacted, but surveys of younger Americans give me hope that the more problematic shibboleths of many Boomers and Gen X'ers, such as glorification of gun ownership and the hyperbolic elements of the Red Scare, are gradually losing ground:

CAMBRIDGE, MAA new national poll of America’s 18- to 29-year-olds by Harvard’s Institute of Politics (IOP), located at the Kennedy School of Government, finds 70 percent of young Americans likely to vote in the upcoming midterms believe that gun control laws in the United States should be more strict. Overall, 64 percent of 18-to 29-year-olds hold this view.

This finding represents a 15-point increase from polling conducted by the IOP in 2013, months after the Newtown, Connecticut school shooting when 49 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds supported stricter laws. One-in-ten (10%) 18-to 29-year-olds believe gun laws should be less strict today, while 22 percent think they should be kept the same as they are now.

Harvard IOP youth poll finds stricter gun laws, ban on assault weapons favored by two-thirds of likely midterm voters under age 30

Furthermore:

Majority of young adults in US hold negative view of capitalism: poll | The Hill

Socialism as Popular as Capitalism Among Young Adults in U.S.

Give it some more time. If the current trends are anything to go by, I expect you may well see a major decline in some of the outdated and emotionally invested views that are typically more popular among older generations.
 

Suave

Simulated character
I don't make my decisions about public policy
only when some terrible event happens. Too
many people have only simplistic over-reactions
only after each & every horror. Give some
thought in between, eh.

There is not even enough time for laying to rest the corpses of the prior mass shooting before the next gun massacre takes place, not much time in between there for discussion!
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Let's just say a psychopath on a mission isn't going to be perturbed by a stupid gun law.
In times of passion, they tend to push extreme measures
that'll never go anywhere. Solutions that'll pass constitutional
muster would be mult-faceted, eg, mental health care for at
risk people.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
There is not even enough time for laying to rest the corpses of the prior mass shooting before the next gun massacre takes place, not much time in between there for discussion!
That's because the news media habitually sensationalizes these people, prompting others to go out in a blaze of 'glory' in copycat style.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
There is not even enough time for laying to rest the corpses of the prior mass shooting before the next gun massacre takes place, not much time in between there for discussion!
There's plenty of time for discussion. But many
people only bring it up right after a tragedy. But
then strong emotions lead only to proposing laws
that'll go nowhere.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
That's why I maintain it isn't guns. I had a rifle in my school for christ sake! Yea. We had guns in school! Carried by students!

We were not a psychopathic generation , unlike the one that exists now. That's the main problem.

It's not guns. It's a chronic psychopathic generation of young people now that is causing most of the problems.

We had guns in school for shop projects.
Redoing the stocks and if needed rebluing them.
Not to mention near every vehicle in the school parking lot had a gun/guns in them.
Ttucks with gun racks of several guns and cars with them in the back seat.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That's why I maintain it isn't guns. I had a rifle in my school for christ sake! Yea. We had guns in school! Carried by students!

We were not a psychopathic generation , unlike the one that exists now. That's the main problem.

It's not guns. It's a chronic psychopathic generation of young people now that is causing most of the problems.
I was on our school's rifle team.
We competed against other schools all over the state.
The rifle range was in the high school, so we kept
rifles we brought in our lockers. A teacher sold us ammo.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I was on our school's rifle team.
We competed against other schools all over the state.
The rifle range was in the high school, so we kept
rifles we brought in our lockers. A teacher sold us ammo.

I remember one smaller town during deer season the kids would ride to school on the bus with their hunting rifles and after school would ride a different bus out to a friends with their rifle to stay and hunt throughout the weekend. There was never any trouble.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I was on our school's rifle team.
We competed against other schools all over the state.
The rifle range was in the high school, so we kept
rifles we brought in our lockers. A teacher sold us ammo.
I think our generation is the last that has a sense of responsibility and maturity instilled in them. We could handle the weapons well.

Now look at what we have now. Therin lay the tragedy of progressive parenting and young immature psychopathic adults are the modern result.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
I think our generation is the last that has a sense of responsibility and maturity instilled in them. We could handle the weapons well.

The wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq were all started by Boomers, and in the case of Vietnam, they were also the ones who committed the atrocities there.

I see no responsibility in that. It just makes me glad to see that things are finally changing.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Well, I wouldn't call it love exactaly, but I have noticed my increased disfavor toward those that exhibit misguided righteousness.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I don't make my decisions about public policy
only when some terrible event happens. Too
many people have only simplistic over-reactions
only after each & every horror. Give some
thought in between, eh.
And when the blood finishes drying, then no thought is given until the next slaughter of children in a school. Then during the next bloodbath, that too is not a time to use reason and do something either. Why even bother to pretend we care then?

We should at least provide flack jackets for the toddlers to wear, since god forbid we address the problem. I know, I know, we're all being hysterical. It's pure insanity.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq were all started by Boomers, and in the case of Vietnam, they were also the ones who committed the atrocities there.

I see no responsibility in that. It just makes me glad to see that things are finally changing.
Time will tell, but I think its inviting a future society that can be best described as a fledgling dystopia.
 
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