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Still don’t think white privilege exist?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Epic Beard Man, Sep 18, 2019.

  1. Stanyon

    Stanyon WWMHD?

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    You roll the dice enough times you will get snake eyes, there were many times I probably shouldn't have been on the road and wasn't caught. It was good it happened before something really bad did, I would never want to know what it's like to know I killed some ones family member through my own stupid, careless decisions.
     
  2. Nimos

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    The justice system is easily corrupted and is not a fair system, it favors those with money that can hire the best lawyers available, giving them an advanced over those which can't.
    There is nothing in the world that is designed to favor the poor and as long as those with money can influence how things are done, it is unlikely to change any time soon. Adding racism and other things on top of that, just makes it even worse for them.
     
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  3. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    in my little town.....people get shot

    though I wear a hood...….I don't walk in the hood
     
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    It's not always so. If one is poor, courts can waive filing fees,
    & even provide assistance in filing suits. Seen it happen.
    And judicial prejudice....it can flow both ways.
     
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  5. Nimos

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    Do you think that a rich white person have an equal chance of getting the same sentence as a poor black person have, if they commit the same type of crime?

    A justice system should not be influence by the wealth or ethnicity of a person and even though all have the same rights on paper. I also think that most people are aware that there is a huge difference in the outcome of cases, depending on the lawyers, otherwise it would make no sense to hire the "expensive" ones.
     
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    Generally no.
    But I point out that more privileges exist than those for white, male & rich folk.
    The real world is far less than ideal in many ways..
     
  7. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    maybe.....if judges were led into the court room

    wearing the hood used for hanging

    and seated behind the bench unable to seen anyone

    might be scary to see as a defendant...….but....
     
  8. Nimos

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    I don't disagree with you that there are "compensations" for the poor. But to me that just illustrate the general issue. Everyone is considered innocent until proven guilty and therefore ought to have access to equal quality of help. Is it possible for a poor person unable to pay for a lawyer to choose freely who they want to defend them or are they simply offered someone at random, which the system think is qualified to defend them?
     
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    I wouldn't use the quoted word.
    It suggests intent.
    I see it as more haphazard than that,
    although that would be an element at times.
    I don't deny such an unfairness.
    It is one of many.
     
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    and THAT should not be the standard of defense

    the system will not force a high price lawyer to defend you
    you get someone learning how the system works

    good luck
     
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    I like riding in my car with the auto pilot engaged in order not to endanger the public safety when I'm too intoxicated to be the driver of my Tesla. I hope self driving cars soon become widely affordable and rode in order to spare thousands of lives from perishing annually in drunk driving wrecks.

     
  12. Epic Beard Man

    Epic Beard Man Bearded Philosopher

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    As the saying goes Justice truly means JUST-US.
     
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  13. Epic Beard Man

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    And what does this have to do with the woman in the video?
     
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    So do you think if say, Oprah Winfrey had had the same charges she would have gotten a longer sentence because she is black? No, I seriously doubt it.
     
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    Regardless of what she may have said, the "white" part would not have influenced the sentence. Wealth and connections however may have.
     
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    Of course not, but a poor white person and poor black person according to research do not get the same sentence either. Similarly, police work and how police engage in minority communities versus suburban (or non-minority) communities is different as well. Again this goes back to the implicit racial biases that exist within the judicial system. Take the woman in the video Lauren Cutshaw for example. At the station Cutshaw said:

    "Later, at the precinct, police officer Baker Odom wrote in his report, Cutshaw went further. She said she was also a “thoroughbred” and “white, clean girl,” Odom wrote.

    The article further continued by saying:

    When he asked what that meant, Cutshaw replied, “You’re a cop, you should know what that means based on the people that come in this room,” according to the report.

    So this isn't just some drunk white woman blurting things out, this is someone who understands her privilege as a white person who has certain perks. What this woman said at the precinct isn't about being rich, it's about someone who knew beforehand who in her circle knew she had privilege.
     
  17. Epic Beard Man

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    Who knows, but even as a rich woman Oprah still experienced glimpses of racism and racial prejudice, but again back to the woman in the story...
     
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    Sounds like you weren't under the legal limit, then.

    I did some quick Googling: seems that the minimum license suspension for a first-time DUI in Arizona is 90 days. Why did they suspend your license for a full year? Was this not your first offense?
     
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    That's not true at all.

    Alcohol-impaired drivers are much more likely to kill someone than a non-impaired driver, so they make up a ridiculous percentage of the drivers in fatal collisions (~25% here, apparently around 33% in the US), but when you look at the driver condition for property damage only crashes - which is a better indication of what drivers on the road are doing on average - the number of drivers with alcohol-related driver conditions is very small (~1% here, can't quickly find stats for the US).

    The drunk driving issue is really a matter of a small number of people punching seriously above their weight in terms of how many people they kill with their behaviour.
     
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