Shad
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The author thinks there are Whiteness scholars. Hilarious. Garbage book.
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It does when it's ubiquitous.
This seems like that argument that goes something like "All our achievements are because of European achievement during the Age of Discovery and Industrial Revolution." An argument that ignores the contributions other cultures made during that time and the violence and cruelty used to manufacture those achievements.
Abortion is an example of female privilege. Even though it takes two to make a baby, only the female has all the rights. One party gets all the advantages for doing an act that requires two to work. Maybe we can use this as an educational litmus test of privilege. Then the debate will change to rational.
No it doesn't.
You say it is 'ubiquitous' yet then draw distinction between that which the white races has achieved and that of other races or cultures. Thus my point. There should be a white pride day and month to honor our achievements and showcase them as other races and cultures like to do.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Why make it "white"?
Ubiquitous doesn't mean there aren't distinctions. There's a difference between celebrating achievements and culture. We celebrate American culture and achievements. We celebrate individual European heritages with Irish Pride, Scottish Pride, Franco pride, etc.
So again, why "white"?
It seems like a way of disparaging the purpose of black pride celebrations, which elevates a culture that grew out of a group that was ripped from their homelands, had their home culture stripped from them, and were forced to interbreed to the point that they are only African Americans.
They can't celebrate their individual African cultures (as diverse and sophisticated they were) because they are lost to the cruelty of European slave trade.
Calling for white pride to somehow make this equal shows a lack of historical or cultural understanding, a lack of sympathy, or just the immature mindset of a child not getting something another child has because it is needed.
Because we are white. Just ask the blacks, the minorities. They will tell you. They know who 'white' is.
So, we have a white pride day and that disparages blacks. How racist of you. Why doesn't black pride day disparage whites?
The black culture was sophisticated? Because it was lost? What a forked tongue.
The blacks called for equality, and then for preferential treatment. How immature of them. And yet here they are still milking the slave tit for all its' worth.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Why make it "white"?
Ubiquitous doesn't mean there aren't distinctions. There's a difference between celebrating achievements and culture. We celebrate American culture and achievements. We celebrate individual European heritages with Irish Pride, Scottish Pride, Franco pride, etc.
So again, why "white"?
It seems like a way of disparaging the purpose of black pride celebrations, which elevates a culture that grew out of a group that was ripped from their homelands, had their home culture stripped from them, and were forced to interbreed to the point that they are only African Americans.
They can't celebrate their individual African cultures (as diverse and sophisticated they were) because they are lost to the cruelty of European slave trade.
Calling for white pride to somehow make this equal shows a lack of historical or cultural understanding, a lack of sympathy, or just the immature mindset of a child not getting something another child has because it is needed.
And what is "white"? How do you distinguish between celebrating "whites" and European cultures?
Because "whites" weren't, to quote myself, "...ripped from their homelands, had their home culture stripped from them, and were forced to interbreed..."
Whites, meaning of European ancestry, have a cultural tradition that can either be celebrated as coming from a specific European culture, or a mix of European cultures. African Americans don't have this. Their culture is uniquely American and given mistreatment that still continues, use pride events as a way to combat the trauma of racism and fight back against the ignorance of white supremacy.
The various African cultures from which the ancestors that African Americans came from were diverse and sophisticated. (And still are.)
I don't think I even need to respond to this! It speaks for itself. ;-)
White is white. I'm not trying to distinguish. You are. When the blacks and minorities talk about the white man in derogatory ways, they make no distinction.
See, you reveal that it is your hatred, your racism, against the white race,that is behind the black celebrations of culture and heritage. Not all of blacks in Africa were made slaves. Yet....? How is the black man's space program doing? Not to well I heard. And where did aids come from? When you have a black pride day or month, do you celebrate that?
The only sophistication of any culture of the black race is due to it's being brought into the white mans progress. Within that boundary, the individual black man can excel. But take away that boundary, and make it totally a black creation and maintained by them, it will deteriorate. You say their 'sophistication' was lost. But in reality it never was.
Indeed it does speak for itself. Blacks, as a whole, never want to take responsibility for their actions. It is always someone else's fault. If I can't get any where, it is the white mans fault. Look at South Africa. Blacks were given a whole white civilized nation. And what are they doing to it. Burning it to the ground. And when they completely destroy it, guess who they will blame? Then they will scream to the U.N. for economic help. They no doubt will blame Apartheid for their actions. And if you don't help them you must be part of that white racism.
That is part of 'black privilege'. You get to blame someone else.
Good-Ole-Rebel
What I meant is, since we celebrate European culture already, why do we need a "white" celebration?
I don't hate European culture. I am pretty proud of my own Scottish ancestry. I just recognize and accept the history of African Americans and see the need of pride events to bolster a community still facing severe discrimination.
The space program in America was accomplished by Americans and the diversity that goes along with being an American.
African history is often overlooked in American schools, so it is understandable that it is not well known that there were several advanced and widespread kingdoms and empires including Mali, Kush, and Aksum. That's not counting Egypt and Carthage, which, while populated by lighter skinned folk, were still African. That's also not counting the many diverse and complex tribal systems that existed.
The American space program would not have been as successful if it weren't for the African Americans that worked there.
See above.
This seems like a generalization.
Thing is, many of the problems related to poverty, drug abuse, and violence can be traced back to the history of race relations in this country. Generational trauma is a real thing. It's all well and good to push individual responsibility, but the cycle of trauma needs to be broken first. And if we as a country want to really be prideful about our history, we need to work on this and part of it is accepting that we have a responsibility for mitigating the effects of the horrible and inhumane treatment we have inflicted on people.
That won't happen with unsubstantiated claims of racial superiority.
I have already told you. Just as blacks get to celebrate their 'black culture' then whites should celebrate their white culture. In other words, we don't want to celebrate a black who is living in London, and has citizenship to England. Or an Arab living in London who has citizenship to England. We want to celebrate 'white culture'.
Blacks contributed nothing to the space program unless they were part of the Western white civilization. As blacks in Africa, where is the space program?
Where is anything? Aids perhaps. You say 'diversity' contributed. Only because it was in the boundary of White Western Civilization. Africa has produced nothing for the space program.
There are still hunter gatherers found in Africa and other third world countries. And that is where they would all be if not for the Western white man. Hell, we should be asking reparations from the blacks.
Egypt is not negro. You don't get to identify with another race just because you are on the same continent. The negro race has not created any civilization. Tribal people and customs, yes. No civilization.
Of course. You don't want any individual responsibility expected from the black man. He has been traumatized. More milking the slave tit. It is not my fault. My forefathers were slaves. And the NAACP and SPLC is the main sucker at the tit of the Fed. govt. The white man just needs to feel guilty and give them what they want.
Why are all minority races running to the white peoples governments and nations? Answer: Because they can't live in one created by their own. Blacks were in Africa for thousands of years and never created a civilization. Yet the white man comes and in a few years creates a thriving civilization in South Africa which has now been given to the blacks, which they are in the process of destroying. Imagine that.
The Aborigines in Australia lived there for thousands of years. Yet it wouldn't be until the white man, and he nothing but prisoners from England, established a civilization in Australia. Imagine that.
Good-Ole-Rebel
And I already told you, as an American, we celebrate European pride, and African Americans celebrate Black pride because their culture was forged in the history of race relations in this country.
White pride would be sacrificing honor for pride.
Here is an example:
Congolese space rocket
The Mali Empire: Mali Empire - Wikipedia
Nubians: Nubians - Wikipedia
The Nok Culture: Nok culture - Wikipedia
The Songhai: Songhai Empire - Wikipedia
And besides those, tribal systems are nothing to decry. If it weren't for the Romans, Europeans would likely still be tribal themselves. And hunter-gatherers are happy folk. Interference by "civilization" tends to cause problems: Ancient Tribes and Modern Civilization Don't Mix
Speaking of shirking responsibility...
Brain drain: Human capital flight - Wikipedia
Keep in mind that European colonization devastated many cultures that were doing fine until it was decided by a foriegn power they weren't "civilized" enough.
Forced civilization actually appears to do more harm than good (see the Livescience article above). Take the Australian Aborigines:
Indigenous health in Australia - Wikipedia
That doesn't seem like "civilization" has been helpful.
In other words until the blacks became involved in white culture, their culture was nothing. Just as I have been saying.
Yeah, concerning that rocket, I rest my case. I do the same every 4th of July.
All were tribal at the beginning. But then there was progression, for some. Not for the black man. Interference by the white man bringing civilization was the best thing that happened to the blacks.
You can dress up the black and minority immigration all you like. It is still always to white countries. They mess up their own backyard and then have to flee to the white mans world where some resemblance of civilization exists.
Good-Ole-Rebel
I can see that providing resources is useless. You appear unwilling to examine your own prejudices.
That's why studies like this are important....It is bad logic to make generalizations from a tiny number of cases that were hand-chosen to support the intended conclusion.
From what I can tell, RF is just fine with allowing itself to serve as a platform for racism.....as long as no one calls anyone names. IOW, racism? No problem! But if you call a racist a racist, well that's just unacceptable!Nothing is sadder than someone
I want to report this, but from my experience of reporting such atrocious behavior is that the forum sides with the one who is in the wrong.
Therefore, I guess my only course of action is to block you.
And what is "white"? How do you distinguish between celebrating "whites" and European cultures?
Because "whites" weren't, to quote myself, "...ripped from their homelands, had their home culture stripped from them, and were forced to interbreed..."
Whites, meaning of European ancestry, have a cultural tradition that can either be celebrated as coming from a specific European culture, or a mix of European cultures. African Americans don't have this. Their culture is uniquely American and given mistreatment that still continues, use pride events as a way to combat the trauma of racism and fight back against the ignorance of white supremacy.
The various African cultures from which the ancestors that African Americans came from were diverse and sophisticated. (And still are.)
I don't think I even need to respond to this! It speaks for itself. ;-)