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Still don’t think white privilege exist?

Shad

Veteran Member
Thought I would bring this into the discussion:

Publications | Robin DiAngelo, PhD

fragility-nyt-450.jpg

The author thinks there are Whiteness scholars. Hilarious. Garbage book.
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
It does when it's ubiquitous.

This seems like that argument that goes something like "All our achievements are because of European achievement during the Age of Discovery and Industrial Revolution." An argument that ignores the contributions other cultures made during that time and the violence and cruelty used to manufacture those achievements.

No it doesn't.

You say it is 'ubiquitous' yet then draw distinction between that which the white races has achieved and that of other races or cultures. Thus my point. There should be a white pride day and month to honor our achievements and showcase them as other races and cultures like to do.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
To me the idiot son of the King, having all the rights in the kingdom is an example of being privileged; automatic rights apart from effort. If the son of the King had talent and accomplishment, apart from the king, this is called self made. His self made characteristics is not based on privilege. Privilege is something for nothing.

The Progressive attitude where everyone gets a trophy for just showing up is an example of privilege. Privilege is a something for nothing approach. Liberalism is grounded on that approach; giveaways for showing up. The person who wins the race has the talent. His victory is not based on being privileged. Free market and open competition is not based on privilege. Privilege is something you get, while not having to earn it. The Age of Exploration was not a privilege, but required guts and talent. Not everyone could do this.

If you look at crime statistics, it is not white privilege for not being stopped and harassed as much as some minorities. This is earned, based on more collective self control, as manifest in lower crime statistics. Ignoring the crime of some minorities; stand down policies for police, is based on privilege, since this is not earned based on crime statistics. It is important clarify the words or it leads to confusion. Anitifa is a thug gang. Not treating them as a violent thug gang is based on left wing privilege. They earn the right to be called a gang.

There are more poor white people in America than any other ethnic group. If white privilege was real there would be no poor white people, no matter how little they tried. They would be automatically grandfathered into the middle class. There is Progression confusion in terms of an altered reality definition. The irony is the privilege approach is being preach by Democrats candidates; socialism and free tuition that is not earned.

Abortion is an example of female privilege. Even though it takes two to make a baby, only the female has all the rights. One party gets all the advantages for doing an act that requires two to work. Maybe we can use this as an educational litmus test of privilege. Then the debate will change to rational.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Abortion is an example of female privilege. Even though it takes two to make a baby, only the female has all the rights. One party gets all the advantages for doing an act that requires two to work. Maybe we can use this as an educational litmus test of privilege. Then the debate will change to rational.

Has the privilege to terminate or sue for child support. No reproductive rights for men...
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
No it doesn't.

You say it is 'ubiquitous' yet then draw distinction between that which the white races has achieved and that of other races or cultures. Thus my point. There should be a white pride day and month to honor our achievements and showcase them as other races and cultures like to do.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Why make it "white"?

Ubiquitous doesn't mean there aren't distinctions. There's a difference between celebrating achievements and culture. We celebrate American culture and achievements. We celebrate individual European heritages with Irish Pride, Scottish Pride, Franco pride, etc.

So again, why "white"?

It seems like a way of disparaging the purpose of black pride celebrations, which elevates a culture that grew out of a group that was ripped from their homelands, had their home culture stripped from them, and were forced to interbreed to the point that they are only African Americans.

They can't celebrate their individual African cultures (as diverse and sophisticated they were) because they are lost to the cruelty of European slave trade.

Calling for white pride to somehow make this equal shows a lack of historical or cultural understanding, a lack of sympathy, or just the immature mindset of a child not getting something another child has because it is needed.
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
Why make it "white"?

Ubiquitous doesn't mean there aren't distinctions. There's a difference between celebrating achievements and culture. We celebrate American culture and achievements. We celebrate individual European heritages with Irish Pride, Scottish Pride, Franco pride, etc.

So again, why "white"?

It seems like a way of disparaging the purpose of black pride celebrations, which elevates a culture that grew out of a group that was ripped from their homelands, had their home culture stripped from them, and were forced to interbreed to the point that they are only African Americans.

They can't celebrate their individual African cultures (as diverse and sophisticated they were) because they are lost to the cruelty of European slave trade.

Calling for white pride to somehow make this equal shows a lack of historical or cultural understanding, a lack of sympathy, or just the immature mindset of a child not getting something another child has because it is needed.

Because we are white. Just ask the blacks, the minorities. They will tell you. They know who 'white' is.

So, we have a white pride day and that disparages blacks. How racist of you. Why doesn't black pride day disparage whites?

The black culture was sophisticated? Because it was lost? What a forked tongue.

The blacks called for equality, and then for preferential treatment. How immature of them. And yet here they are still milking the slave tit for all its' worth.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Because we are white. Just ask the blacks, the minorities. They will tell you. They know who 'white' is.

And what is "white"? How do you distinguish between celebrating "whites" and European cultures?

So, we have a white pride day and that disparages blacks. How racist of you. Why doesn't black pride day disparage whites?

Because "whites" weren't, to quote myself, "...ripped from their homelands, had their home culture stripped from them, and were forced to interbreed..."

Whites, meaning of European ancestry, have a cultural tradition that can either be celebrated as coming from a specific European culture, or a mix of European cultures. African Americans don't have this. Their culture is uniquely American and given mistreatment that still continues, use pride events as a way to combat the trauma of racism and fight back against the ignorance of white supremacy.

The black culture was sophisticated? Because it was lost? What a forked tongue.

The various African cultures from which the ancestors that African Americans came from were diverse and sophisticated. (And still are.)

The blacks called for equality, and then for preferential treatment. How immature of them. And yet here they are still milking the slave tit for all its' worth.

Good-Ole-Rebel

I don't think I even need to respond to this! It speaks for itself. ;-)
 
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gnomon

Well-Known Member
Why make it "white"?

Ubiquitous doesn't mean there aren't distinctions. There's a difference between celebrating achievements and culture. We celebrate American culture and achievements. We celebrate individual European heritages with Irish Pride, Scottish Pride, Franco pride, etc.

So again, why "white"?

It seems like a way of disparaging the purpose of black pride celebrations, which elevates a culture that grew out of a group that was ripped from their homelands, had their home culture stripped from them, and were forced to interbreed to the point that they are only African Americans.

They can't celebrate their individual African cultures (as diverse and sophisticated they were) because they are lost to the cruelty of European slave trade.

Calling for white pride to somehow make this equal shows a lack of historical or cultural understanding, a lack of sympathy, or just the immature mindset of a child not getting something another child has because it is needed.

Well said.
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
And what is "white"? How do you distinguish between celebrating "whites" and European cultures?



Because "whites" weren't, to quote myself, "...ripped from their homelands, had their home culture stripped from them, and were forced to interbreed..."

Whites, meaning of European ancestry, have a cultural tradition that can either be celebrated as coming from a specific European culture, or a mix of European cultures. African Americans don't have this. Their culture is uniquely American and given mistreatment that still continues, use pride events as a way to combat the trauma of racism and fight back against the ignorance of white supremacy.



The various African cultures from which the ancestors that African Americans came from were diverse and sophisticated. (And still are.)



I don't think I even need to respond to this! It speaks for itself. ;-)

White is white. I'm not trying to distinguish. You are. When the blacks and minorities talk about the white man in derogatory ways, they make no distinction.

See, you reveal that it is your hatred, your racism, against the white race,that is behind the black celebrations of culture and heritage. Not all of blacks in Africa were made slaves. Yet....? How is the black man's space program doing? Not to well I heard. And where did aids come from? When you have a black pride day or month, do you celebrate that?

The only sophistication of any culture of the black race is due to it's being brought into the white mans progress. Within that boundary, the individual black man can excel. But take away that boundary, and make it totally a black creation and maintained by them, it will deteriorate. You say their 'sophistication' was lost. But in reality it never was.

Indeed it does speak for itself. Blacks, as a whole, never want to take responsibility for their actions. It is always someone else's fault. If I can't get any where, it is the white mans fault. Look at South Africa. Blacks were given a whole white civilized nation. And what are they doing to it. Burning it to the ground. And when they completely destroy it, guess who they will blame? Then they will scream to the U.N. for economic help. They no doubt will blame Apartheid for their actions. And if you don't help them you must be part of that white racism.

That is part of 'black privilege'. You get to blame someone else.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
White is white. I'm not trying to distinguish. You are. When the blacks and minorities talk about the white man in derogatory ways, they make no distinction.

What I meant is, since we celebrate European culture already, why do we need a "white" celebration?

See, you reveal that it is your hatred, your racism, against the white race,that is behind the black celebrations of culture and heritage. Not all of blacks in Africa were made slaves. Yet....? How is the black man's space program doing? Not to well I heard. And where did aids come from? When you have a black pride day or month, do you celebrate that?

I don't hate European culture. I am pretty proud of my own Scottish ancestry. I just recognize and accept the history of African Americans and see the need of pride events to bolster a community still facing severe discrimination.

The space program in America was accomplished by Americans and the diversity that goes along with being an American.

African history is often overlooked in American schools, so it is understandable that it is not well known that there were several advanced and widespread kingdoms and empires including Mali, Kush, and Aksum. That's not counting Egypt and Carthage, which, while populated by lighter skinned folk, were still African. That's also not counting the many diverse and complex tribal systems that existed.

The American space program would not have been as successful if it weren't for the African Americans that worked there.

The only sophistication of any culture of the black race is due to it's being brought into the white mans progress. Within that boundary, the individual black man can excel. But take away that boundary, and make it totally a black creation and maintained by them, it will deteriorate. You say their 'sophistication' was lost. But in reality it never was.

See above.

Indeed it does speak for itself. Blacks, as a whole, never want to take responsibility for their actions. It is always someone else's fault. If I can't get any where, it is the white mans fault. Look at South Africa. Blacks were given a whole white civilized nation. And what are they doing to it. Burning it to the ground. And when they completely destroy it, guess who they will blame? Then they will scream to the U.N. for economic help. They no doubt will blame Apartheid for their actions. And if you don't help them you must be part of that white racism.

That is part of 'black privilege'. You get to blame someone else.

Good-Ole-Rebel

This seems like a generalization.

Thing is, many of the problems related to poverty, drug abuse, and violence can be traced back to the history of race relations in this country. Generational trauma is a real thing. It's all well and good to push individual responsibility, but the cycle of trauma needs to be broken first. And if we as a country want to really be prideful about our history, we need to work on this and part of it is accepting that we have a responsibility for mitigating the effects of the horrible and inhumane treatment we have inflicted on people.

That won't happen with unsubstantiated claims of racial superiority.
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
What I meant is, since we celebrate European culture already, why do we need a "white" celebration?



I don't hate European culture. I am pretty proud of my own Scottish ancestry. I just recognize and accept the history of African Americans and see the need of pride events to bolster a community still facing severe discrimination.

The space program in America was accomplished by Americans and the diversity that goes along with being an American.

African history is often overlooked in American schools, so it is understandable that it is not well known that there were several advanced and widespread kingdoms and empires including Mali, Kush, and Aksum. That's not counting Egypt and Carthage, which, while populated by lighter skinned folk, were still African. That's also not counting the many diverse and complex tribal systems that existed.

The American space program would not have been as successful if it weren't for the African Americans that worked there.



See above.



This seems like a generalization.

Thing is, many of the problems related to poverty, drug abuse, and violence can be traced back to the history of race relations in this country. Generational trauma is a real thing. It's all well and good to push individual responsibility, but the cycle of trauma needs to be broken first. And if we as a country want to really be prideful about our history, we need to work on this and part of it is accepting that we have a responsibility for mitigating the effects of the horrible and inhumane treatment we have inflicted on people.

That won't happen with unsubstantiated claims of racial superiority.

I have already told you. Just as blacks get to celebrate their 'black culture' then whites should celebrate their white culture. In other words, we don't want to celebrate a black who is living in London, and has citizenship to England. Or an Arab living in London who has citizenship to England. We want to celebrate 'white culture'.

Blacks contributed nothing to the space program unless they were part of the Western white civilization. As blacks in Africa, where is the space program? Where is anything? Aids perhaps. You say 'diversity' contributed. Only because it was in the boundary of White Western Civilization. Africa has produced nothing for the space program. There are still hunter gatherers found in Africa and other third world countries. And that is where they would all be if not for the Western white man. Hell, we should be asking reparations from the blacks.

Egypt is not negro. You don't get to identify with another race just because you are on the same continent. The negro race has not created any civilization. Tribal people and customs, yes. No civilization.

See above. Read more than once.

Actually I thought it was pretty specific. And true.

Of course. You don't want any individual responsibility expected from the black man. He has been traumatized. More milking the slave tit. It is not my fault. My forefathers were slaves. And the NAACP and SPLC is the main sucker at the tit of the Fed. govt. The white man just needs to feel guilty and give them what they want.

Why are all minority races running to the white peoples governments and nations? Answer: Because they can't live in one created by their own. Blacks were in Africa for thousands of years and never created a civilization. Yet the white man comes and in a few years creates a thriving civilization in South Africa which has now been given to the blacks, which they are in the process of destroying. Imagine that.

The Aborigines in Australia lived there for thousands of years. Yet it wouldn't be until the white man, and he nothing but prisoners from England, established a civilization in Australia. Imagine that.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
I have already told you. Just as blacks get to celebrate their 'black culture' then whites should celebrate their white culture. In other words, we don't want to celebrate a black who is living in London, and has citizenship to England. Or an Arab living in London who has citizenship to England. We want to celebrate 'white culture'.

And I already told you, as an American, we celebrate European pride, and African Americans celebrate Black pride because their culture was forged in the history of race relations in this country.

White pride would be sacrificing honor for pride.

Blacks contributed nothing to the space program unless they were part of the Western white civilization. As blacks in Africa, where is the space program?
Where is anything? Aids perhaps. You say 'diversity' contributed. Only because it was in the boundary of White Western Civilization. Africa has produced nothing for the space program.

Here is an example:

Congolese space rocket

There are still hunter gatherers found in Africa and other third world countries. And that is where they would all be if not for the Western white man. Hell, we should be asking reparations from the blacks.

Egypt is not negro. You don't get to identify with another race just because you are on the same continent. The negro race has not created any civilization. Tribal people and customs, yes. No civilization.

The Mali Empire: Mali Empire - Wikipedia

Nubians: Nubians - Wikipedia

The Nok Culture: Nok culture - Wikipedia

The Songhai: Songhai Empire - Wikipedia

And besides those, tribal systems are nothing to decry. If it weren't for the Romans, Europeans would likely still be tribal themselves. And hunter-gatherers are happy folk. Interference by "civilization" tends to cause problems: Ancient Tribes and Modern Civilization Don't Mix

Of course. You don't want any individual responsibility expected from the black man. He has been traumatized. More milking the slave tit. It is not my fault. My forefathers were slaves. And the NAACP and SPLC is the main sucker at the tit of the Fed. govt. The white man just needs to feel guilty and give them what they want.

Speaking of shirking responsibility...

Why are all minority races running to the white peoples governments and nations? Answer: Because they can't live in one created by their own. Blacks were in Africa for thousands of years and never created a civilization. Yet the white man comes and in a few years creates a thriving civilization in South Africa which has now been given to the blacks, which they are in the process of destroying. Imagine that.

The Aborigines in Australia lived there for thousands of years. Yet it wouldn't be until the white man, and he nothing but prisoners from England, established a civilization in Australia. Imagine that.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Brain drain: Human capital flight - Wikipedia

Keep in mind that European colonization devastated many cultures that were doing fine until it was decided by a foriegn power they weren't "civilized" enough.

Forced civilization actually appears to do more harm than good (see the Livescience article above). Take the Australian Aborigines:
Indigenous health in Australia - Wikipedia

That doesn't seem like "civilization" has been helpful.
 
Thought I would bring this into the discussion:

Publications | Robin DiAngelo, PhD

fragility-nyt-450.jpg

Not read the book, but based on how I've seen others using the term in normal discussion, "White fragility" serves a purpose to 'seal the circle' and shut down any need to look at any other position on its merits.

Noting that pathologising an entire racial demographic may not be the best way to promote equality, or refusal to fully accept any aspects of 'woke antiracist ideology' is a sign of personal failing: white fragility.

a - White people disgust me
b -
that's a bit racist isn't it?
a - OMG, white fragility at its worst!

a- That you don't agree with our beliefs is a sign of your racism and white privilege!
b- Actually, that term is also problematic because...
a- Look everybody, white fragility! So pathetic...
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
And I already told you, as an American, we celebrate European pride, and African Americans celebrate Black pride because their culture was forged in the history of race relations in this country.

White pride would be sacrificing honor for pride.



Here is an example:

Congolese space rocket



The Mali Empire: Mali Empire - Wikipedia

Nubians: Nubians - Wikipedia

The Nok Culture: Nok culture - Wikipedia

The Songhai: Songhai Empire - Wikipedia

And besides those, tribal systems are nothing to decry. If it weren't for the Romans, Europeans would likely still be tribal themselves. And hunter-gatherers are happy folk. Interference by "civilization" tends to cause problems: Ancient Tribes and Modern Civilization Don't Mix



Speaking of shirking responsibility...



Brain drain: Human capital flight - Wikipedia

Keep in mind that European colonization devastated many cultures that were doing fine until it was decided by a foriegn power they weren't "civilized" enough.

Forced civilization actually appears to do more harm than good (see the Livescience article above). Take the Australian Aborigines:
Indigenous health in Australia - Wikipedia

That doesn't seem like "civilization" has been helpful.

In other words until the blacks became involved in white culture, their culture was nothing. Just as I have been saying.

Yeah, concerning that rocket, I rest my case. I do the same every 4th of July.

All were tribal at the beginning. But then there was progression, for some. Not for the black man. Interference by the white man bringing civilization was the best thing that happened to the blacks.

You can dress up the black and minority immigration all you like. It is still always to white countries. They mess up their own backyard and then have to flee to the white mans world where some resemblance of civilization exists.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
In other words until the blacks became involved in white culture, their culture was nothing. Just as I have been saying.

Yeah, concerning that rocket, I rest my case. I do the same every 4th of July.

All were tribal at the beginning. But then there was progression, for some. Not for the black man. Interference by the white man bringing civilization was the best thing that happened to the blacks.

You can dress up the black and minority immigration all you like. It is still always to white countries. They mess up their own backyard and then have to flee to the white mans world where some resemblance of civilization exists.

Good-Ole-Rebel


I can see that providing resources is useless. You appear unwilling to examine your own prejudices.
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Having seen and experienced first-hand the difference between being pulled over by the police when with my white friends and when with my black friends (in both cases doing absolutely nothing wrong), I know for a fact that "white privilege" exists.
 
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Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Nothing is sadder than someone


I want to report this, but from my experience of reporting such atrocious behavior is that the forum sides with the one who is in the wrong.

Therefore, I guess my only course of action is to block you.
From what I can tell, RF is just fine with allowing itself to serve as a platform for racism.....as long as no one calls anyone names. IOW, racism? No problem! But if you call a racist a racist, well that's just unacceptable! :shrug:
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
And what is "white"? How do you distinguish between celebrating "whites" and European cultures?



Because "whites" weren't, to quote myself, "...ripped from their homelands, had their home culture stripped from them, and were forced to interbreed..."

Whites, meaning of European ancestry, have a cultural tradition that can either be celebrated as coming from a specific European culture, or a mix of European cultures. African Americans don't have this. Their culture is uniquely American and given mistreatment that still continues, use pride events as a way to combat the trauma of racism and fight back against the ignorance of white supremacy.



The various African cultures from which the ancestors that African Americans came from were diverse and sophisticated. (And still are.)



I don't think I even need to respond to this! It speaks for itself. ;-)

Wow this was well said....

It’s sad because there are some Africans that don’t think we are African because of acclimation to white culture ergo “speaking English” and engaging in non-African traditions.
 
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