It seems it's you who is avoiding the issue of how much property damage (or the threat thereof) would you require to warrant killing someone? What is this "judgment" of yours based on, then?
Applying reductionism....
My judgement is what it is, ie, I value my property more than the lives of
malefactors who would destroy it. You repeatedly ask me to quantify it,
but that is unreasonable regarding something so subjective.
So it's all about you, then.
Of course it is.
I won't substitute someone else's judgement for my own.
This is just as your values are all about what you want
The difference is...
I don't expect you to change your values to mine.
But you believe that I should change my values to yours.
You've made no compelling argument for that.
Other people are irrelevant in comparison to you and what you presume to 'own' and care about.
That is a mis-statement of my stated view.
To repeat, I'm loath to harm anyone....even
if circumstances could possibly lead to that.
Well, for one, it's not really your property. You don't own the Earth or any part of it. At best, you are being given the right of control by your fellow humans, by mutual agreement. So if those fellow humans choose to rescind that agreement, even though you don't like or agree with it, they are as justified in their actions as you think you are.
I have clear titles to my real estate, receipts for personal
property, & that most important of legal standards...possession.
It's 9 tenths of the law, they say. And they're right.
(I'm very experienced in the legalities of ownership, &
have fought tooth & nail in court to keep what is mine.)
Your arcane philosophy of ownership runs counter
to mine & to Ameristanian law. While it works well
for you, it cannot be imposed upon others.
It's about selfishness. It's about placing yourself above others to such a degree that even what you presume to possess is more important to you than the lives of others.
Bingo!
But you fail to mention that this doesn't apply to all "others".
Only to those malefactors who would try to destroy what I have.
I do not value their lives as much as my property.
Even as all you presume to possess only exists because other humans have enabled and allowed it.
The logic against your selfishness is that you are a member of a collective, cooperative species, and yet think and behave as if you are a self-contained individual. You take and take from the collective and then presume to 'own' everything you've taken as if you attained it by yourself. Which basically makes you a parasite. Toxic to your own kind. And gives them the right to take it back, or take it away from you if they choose. And negates your delusional right to protect it as if it were part of yourself. You are wrong. It was never yours to begin with, except by the agreement of your fellow humans. Everything you have is because of them. And should they decide in a moment anger to take it away from you, they can.
"Logic"
It is such an over-used & mis-used word.
Where are your premises & logic actually applied to them?
I only see your certainty in your own values, & objection to mine.
Too often on RF, the claim of claim "logic" is merely
a presumption that one has the obvious Truth.
It sounds like.....
"I am right. I am certain. Therefore what I believe must be logical."
