Spiritual Evidence and Proofs of God’s Existence

[Trailblazer]

No such thing as spiritual proofs.

Spiritual proofs are not like the proof we get from facts, but they are proof to the person has the spiritual experience.

 

[F1fan]

I believe that is because science is out of its element and tends to go bonkers with concepts it is not equipped to deal with.

Yes, it’s what you believe. Is there any truth behind it? No.

 

[sayak83]

I believe you can't simply arbitrarily say that the Bible isn't evidence. What evidence do you have to support that view?

Simple logic. Suppose I make the claim "I am honest". The evidence for this claim has to be something other than the claim sentence itself.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Spiritual proofs are not like the proof we get from facts, but they are proof to the person has the spiritual experience.

experiences are not proof, because our perception of them may be flawed.

 

[Trailblazer]

experiences are not proof, because our perception of them may be flawed.

I fully agree. People 'believe' they are proof but that does not mean they are proof.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I believe that is because science is out of its element and tends to go bonkers with concepts it is not equipped to deal with.

The rejection of scientific evidence in an attempt to defend superstitious beliefs, has nothing to do with "science being out of its element" and everything with psychological defense mechanisms in people who are emotionally attached to their a priori beliefs.


Having said that, yes, science isn't equipped to deal with undetectable phenomenon.
The reason for that is the "undetectable" part.

NOTHING is equipped to deal with "undetectable" stuff.

Undetectable stuff is indistinguishable from imagination, fantasy and non-existent things.
They are to be rejected out of hand.

Claims of undetectable / unfalsifiable things, are infinite in number.
They don't matter to anything since there is no manifestation. They share all the same properties as non-existent things, which is to say: it has NO properties.

There is nothing there to "deal with".

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I believe you can't simply arbitrarily say that the Bible isn't evidence. What evidence do you have to support that view?

It's not arbitrary.
The bible is a collection of claims.
Claims aren't evidence.
Claims require evidence.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Spiritual proofs are not like the proof we get from facts, but they are proof to the person has the spiritual experience.

In other words, subjective things that are indistinguishable from imagination.
To call that "proof" (of any kind) is a serious rape of that word.

 

[Trailblazer]

In other words, subjective things that are indistinguishable from imagination.
To call that "proof" (of any kind) is a serious rape of that word.

Yes, they are subjective.
They are proof to the person has the spiritual experience since they prove it to that person.
They don't qualify as proof to anyone else.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yes, they are subjective.
They are proof to the person has the spiritual experience since they prove it to that person.
They don't qualify as proof to anyone else.

As said already, you are making a mockery out of the words "proof" and "prove" here.

 

[Trailblazer]

As said already, you are making a mockery out of the words "proof" and "prove" here.

Maybe.....

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Maybe.....

No. Certainly.