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Featured spirit of antichrist is in the world today

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by kjw47, Aug 19, 2017.

  1. kjw47

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    Jesus brought the us vs them--A true follower is no part of this world, yet must live in it. He even taught--members of ones own household would be enemies on account of him and his truth. Jesus taught--The world would do things against the true followers on account of his name( thinking they are standing for him) because they do not know the one who sent him( Father)John 15:20-21

    so your reasoning is not correct.
     
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    This statement proves your org is not His true followers, because you don't preach the name of Jesus, your org has nothing to do with the name of Jesus.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    You simply are ignoring what I wrote and then creating a strawman argument in response. What's worse is that you say you believe in the inerrancy of the Bible and yet you really only pick & chose what you are willing to believe, and this isn't the only time or topic whereas you've done this. A "true follower" believes in Jesus, not what his/her JW teachers teach that defy what Jesus actually taught, as in John 3:16.

    I guess you've decided on which you believe in, but I hope that you go back through the gospels and read them as they are written and not depend on what the JW leadership tells you it supposedly says as they are adding stipulations on "salvation" that simply aren't there. .
     
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    Your post is 100% false--There are books written about Jesus by JW,s--He is our King.
     
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    Excercising faith in the real Jesus, not the fake one in trinity religions. All who exercise faith in Jesus--have learned and applied every teaching he gave and they know 100% this is bottom line reality of all of it--John 4:22-24--Matt 7:21
     
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    Can you explain how sometimes you put your trust in something that is untrue and call it worship in truth?
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    The trinitarian concept literally has not one thing to do with there supposedly being a "fake Jesus", and if it were, then that would be the belief of the apostles and the Way themselves. It was the Ebionites, not the apostolic church of the 1st century, that weren't trinitarians.

    What the problem was, however, is that there was no iron clad agreement that was agreed upon as to what this relationship actually consisted of.
     
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    Jesus said NO ONE gets to God but by Him, He is our mediator. Who is the mediator between you and God kjw47?

    I know, your org has written books on Jesus, but when you go door to door, do you tell people about Him, or do you tell people about your org? How you're the only ones...
     
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    kjw47, how can you say that with a clear conscience? You sacrifice all your integrity every time you make a statement like that. Every time you state, "100% fact", you show how you have no integrity. You know that what you're being taught today, might not be the truth tomorrow, because YOU never know when God is going to will a truth be revealed to your "real teachers". You have no way of knowing if what you believe today won't be changed by the real truth tomorrow.
     
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    @kjw47 When it isn't time for Jehovah to feed you "food at the proper time" it is the truth to say, "we don't know".
    Because the governing body never says that it means you ARE NOT worshipping Jehovah in truth.
     
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    Truth is abundant now. When God willed a truth known, correction was made. God understands if a truth was unknown because he hid the truth on those matters, it could not be held against a mortal--But Dan 12:4 assures truth is abundant here in these last days--So there will be no excuse for any.
     
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    This is what God requires of all--John 4:22-24
     
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    The bible is clear--Jesus is head of the congregation. Ephesians 5:24--Collosians 1:18
    Thus Luke 10:16 applys.
     
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    There is no correction to be made about John 4:22-24--it is perfectly clear.
     
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    They couldn't possibly know of error until God reveals it to them. Certain truths were hidden( from all) 1Pet 1:12- including Gods own angels.
     
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    If you rely just on this, then that's what I call "rocking-chair religion"-- just sit back and have and recite some nice little politically-correct beliefs-- no need to do anything beyond that. Trouble is, Jesus and the apostles make it abundantly clear that a true belief in Jesus' word involves commitment to love, compassion and justice for all. And "love" in this context ("agape") is an active noun, meaning that one lives out love, not just sitting back mouthing p.c. beliefs.

    The Sermon On the Mount is considered by most Christian theologians to contain what Jesus was mostly about, and it is without a doubt a call to action, not just worship and having p.c. beliefs.
     
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    Maybe you won't understand. If it is hidden then they don't know it. When they don't know they should say, "we don't know". That would be the honest truth. Until something is revealed at the proper time you can't know it! That they think they know it when it wasn't revealed to them as food at the proper time then what they believe to be revealed might also not be true.
     
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    Are you unable, or unwilling to just answer a question, without all the worthless words that need not be said? Jesus being the Head of the congregation is different that being your mediator.

    Jesus said, NO ONE gets to the Father except by Him, He is mediator between God and man, do you believe He is your mediator kjw47?
     
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    You do realize that 1Peter 1:12 is referring to the prophets of the old testament, don't you?

    1 Peter 1:10-12 (ESV Strong's) 10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, 11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories. 12 It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things that have now been announced to you through those who preached the good news to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look.


    You do realize, if your "real teachers" waited for God to reveal the truth before they taught, they wouldn't make errors. Another FACT that your "real teachers" teach their opinion of scripture and not the truth and have their share at the table of demons!
     
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    I agree with you. Jesus teaches---Man does not live by bread alone, but by every utterance from God= OT-NT--over and over, year after year. The real teachers that have Jesus makes 100% sure this gets accomplished, it NEVER stops.
    Yes action= obeying every utterance over-SELF.
     
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