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spirit of antichrist is in the world today

kjw47

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But until then, they get to teach from their own reason and logic, right? Isn't that why they have to make so many "corrections"? Why don't they just wait for the truth to come?



Same reason every other religion claiming to be Christian teaches errors on those matters--They are already in the bible. Not one understood the reality until here in these last days( Dan 12:4) so every religion taught on those matters. It took correction in front of all creation to change errors to truths. Gods own angels didn't even know those truths( 1Pet 1:12)
 

kjw47

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Who do you personally perceive to be the two horned beast? If you say the beast has to be in place for Rev 16 to be starting, that means the beast must be in place, correct? Who is that beast?



Excercises all authority( resolutions) of the 7 headed beast with 10 horns. Cannot buy or sell( sanctions)
Makes fire( destruction) come down out of the heavens( bombs-missiles) a horn = a kingdom--2 horns= 2 kingdoms working together) can you see it happening?
10 horns( a place where kingdoms gather)
 

kjw47

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You cannot possibly verify that.

With any kind of serious Bible study, one needs to look at all options, only discounting those that are defied by other scriptures or historical events. In this case, I can guarantee you that there is no possible way you can discount 144,000 being symbolic, and every theologian that I have read feels that it is most likely that.


God seperates the-ONE FLOCK into 2 separate groups--the little flock( Luke 12:32= the anointed, the bride of Christ= 144,000(Rev 14:3)
The great multitude which no man can number will stand before the throne( Gods kingdom rule) on earth. No matter where one stands it will be before the throne of God at that point.( Dan 2:44) Jesus promised the EARTH to them-Matt 5:5
The psalmist knew that fact--Psalm 37:9-11, 29)

If they do not know these bible facts--they are not theologians.( 2Corinthians 11:12-15)
 

kjw47

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Are you saying your "real teachers" are wrong kjw47?

*** w50 11/15 p. 462 Fraudulent Religious Relics ***
All error and lies are of the Devil and are certainly a great reproach and dishonor to God. (John 8:44; Rom. 1:25) Consequently, Jehovah is against all such pious frauds that teach lies in His name and He will clean them out at Armageddon.



*** w13 7/15 p. 8 par. 19 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
We first considered that the great tribulation did not begin in 1914

*** w13 7/15 p. 8 par. 19 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
Then, we reviewed why Jesus’ judgment of the sheep and the goats did not begin in 1914

*** w13 7/15 p. 8 par. 19 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
Finally, we examined why Jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings did not occur in 1919

Your "real teachers" claim that "all error" is of the devil, the above quotes are errors, so which table does that put your "real teachers" eating from?


making correction is the same as repentence--God does not hold it against one. Its the ones who outright refuse to make correction who you should be worried about.
 

kjw47

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I suppose if you and the governing body are wrong, Jesus will be so very sorry he ever said Matthew 24:45.



They aren't wrong. They proved 100% truth is what they love by making correction in front of all creation. None others will.
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
The bible is clear--Jesus is appointed for 1000 years as king. Gods kingdom would be ruling the earth if he were king back then. I see him as king, just as they did. But he wasn't actually king until he received his crown at Rev 6
Did the thousand years start when he got the crown?
 

djhwoodwerks

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Same reason every other religion claiming to be Christian teaches errors on those matters--They are already in the bible.

Really? Where are these errors IN THE BIBLE?

*** w13 7/15 p. 8 par. 19 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
19 In review, what have we learned? In the beginning of this article, we raised three “when” questions. We first considered that the great tribulation did not begin in 1914 but will start when the United Nations attacks Babylon the Great. Then, we reviewed why Jesus’ judgment of the sheep and the goats did not begin in 1914 but will occur during the great tribulation. Finally, we examined why Jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings did not occur in 1919 but will take place during the great tribulation.

Are those errors caused by the Trinity?
 

djhwoodwerks

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Same reason every other religion claiming to be Christian teaches errors on those matters--They are already in the bible.

Or, could they be because,

*** w13 7/15 p. 3 par. 3 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
3 For a number of years, we thought that the great tribulation began in 1914

*** w13 7/15 p. 4 par. 4 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
4 Upon further examination of Jesus’ prophecy, however, we perceived that a part of Jesus’ prophecy about the last days has two fulfillments.

*** w13 7/15 p. 4 par. 5 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
5 We also discerned that the first part of the great tribulation did not begin in 1914.

All of them are "WE", not one mention of God, Jesus nor the Holy Spirit, they did it all themselves?
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
They aren't wrong. They proved 100% truth is what they love by making correction in front of all creation. None others will.
I think that you mean no other religion you know of makes corrections. Most people make corrections.....often.
 

Oeste

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making correction is the same as repentence--God does not hold it against one. Its the ones who outright refuse to make correction who you should be worried about.

Nonsense. Correction is NOT the same as repentance and I'm pretty sure we've been all over this before

Look, Billy is punching his younger brother. His mother tells him to behave. Billy continues to punch. His mother tells him to stop, this time in a louder voice. Billy continues to punch. Now mom gets up and grabs a belt whereupon Billy "corrects" his bad behavior.​

Has Billy repented?

Of course not!!! They only thing Billy did was change his mind. So its SILLY to say correction is the sames as repentance, just as it is SILLY to say your Organization repented because they changed their mind about an issue.

In order to be repentant they must first acknowledge they were wrong. I'm looking at the quotes in your Watchtower, and it is full of new perception and discernment without ANY acknowledgment there prior perception or discernment was wrong.

After the acknowledgment of wrongdoing, one must apologize for it. This shows concern for any hurt that may have been caused. This apology is not something you whisper into the air to the aggrieved party but should be published to the Congregation.

Billy was punching his younger brother because he thought he broke his toy. Later dad comes home with a new toy, apologizing to Billy for breaking it earlier that morning. Billy now has a new perception and discernment about what occurred to his toy, but that doesn't correct his prior wrong actions against his brother. Again correction does NOT equal repentance. He owes his brother an apology.​

They should not only apologize, but ask forgiveness. This from God and any aggrieved party.

NOW repentance can come. This is where, after acknowledging they were wrong, apologizing and asking forgiveness, assurance is made that you have turned away from the former behavior and you'll do your best to make sure it won't happen again.

3 So watch yourselves. “If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them. Luke 17

8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. Matthew 3

19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, Acts 3​

Without repentance we remain in our sin and we cannot demand contrition, apologies and forgiveness from others if we refuse to offer it ourselves. That just makes one a hypocrite.
 

djhwoodwerks

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They aren't wrong. They proved 100% truth is what they love by making correction in front of all creation. None others will.

Have you ever asked yourself, or any other witness, why your "real teachers" had to rewrite their own Bible?

Psalms 12:6-7 (ASV) 6 The words of Jehovah are pure words; As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, Purified seven times. 7 Thou wilt keep them, O Jehovah, Thou wilt preserve them from this generation for ever.
 

kjw47

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Really? Where are these errors IN THE BIBLE?

*** w13 7/15 p. 8 par. 19 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
19 In review, what have we learned? In the beginning of this article, we raised three “when” questions. We first considered that the great tribulation did not begin in 1914 but will start when the United Nations attacks Babylon the Great. Then, we reviewed why Jesus’ judgment of the sheep and the goats did not begin in 1914 but will occur during the great tribulation. Finally, we examined why Jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings did not occur in 1919 but will take place during the great tribulation.

Are those errors caused by the Trinity?


Truth comes--at the proper time--your teachers don't even teach on those matters because they have no clue.
 

kjw47

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Or, could they be because,

*** w13 7/15 p. 3 par. 3 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
3 For a number of years, we thought that the great tribulation began in 1914

*** w13 7/15 p. 4 par. 4 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
4 Upon further examination of Jesus’ prophecy, however, we perceived that a part of Jesus’ prophecy about the last days has two fulfillments.

*** w13 7/15 p. 4 par. 5 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
5 We also discerned that the first part of the great tribulation did not begin in 1914.

All of them are "WE", not one mention of God, Jesus nor the Holy Spirit, they did it all themselves?


Assuming gets one no where.
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
I think the 1000 years starts after satan gets abyssed. I am not 100% positive on that. He rules as king of heaven right now. Satan still rules this world.
When Jesus received the crown as you say at Revelation 6:2 it was for riding on the Earth. Revelation chapter 6 is about The Earth.
 

kjw47

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Have you ever asked yourself, or any other witness, why your "real teachers" had to rewrite their own Bible?

Psalms 12:6-7 (ASV) 6 The words of Jehovah are pure words; As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, Purified seven times. 7 Thou wilt keep them, O Jehovah, Thou wilt preserve them from this generation for ever.



Jehovah didn't speak errors, imperfect men did. Because it was not the proper time.
 

kjw47

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When Jesus received the crown as you say at Revelation 6:2 it was for riding on the Earth. Revelation chapter 6 is about The Earth.


The first ride of the white horse=the war in heaven--Michael battled satan and his angels and cast them out of heaven to the earth. The other 3 riders were on the earth. The white horse does not come to the earth until the second ride. Jesus takes that ride.
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
The first ride of the white horse=the war in heaven--Michael battled satan and his angels and cast them out of heaven to the earth. The other 3 riders were on the earth. The white horse does not come to the earth until the second ride. Jesus takes that ride.
No! Are you saying that Revelation 19:11-16 pictures Jesus riding on the Earth?
You should rethink that. Oh! Wait a minute. You have no permission to think.
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
The first ride of the white horse=the war in heaven--Michael battled satan and his angels and cast them out of heaven to the earth. The other 3 riders were on the earth. The white horse does not come to the earth until the second ride. Jesus takes that ride.
Who rides with Jesus at Revelation 19?
14 Also, the armies in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen.
Is the 144,000 riding with him there?
 
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