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Featured spirit of antichrist is in the world today

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by kjw47, Aug 19, 2017.

  1. kjw47

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    Every scholar on earth knows 100% white=righteous in bible language.
     
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    It doesn't huh--How quickly you forget the #1 commandment---Thou shalt not have any other God before your face. Reality--satan is posing as every false god on earth. Which includes the non existent trinity.They break Gods #1 commandment daily= a worker of iniquity-Matt 7:21-23.
     
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    The separating of the sheep and goats occurs during the tribulation. The sheep will be brought through Har-mageddon on earth, never having to taste death. The rest will die.
    He cancelled the debt of all who have repented= FEW.
     
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    What does this have to do with what I posted?


    The best biblical sources are those that make serious attempts to translate directly from Hebrew and Koine Greek the closest words in English, in our case, and any translation "correcting" a specific theology is likely to be biased.

    Personally, I heavily rely on the Revised Standard Version because it is a more direct translation than most, although it reads rather clumsy at times because of that reason. Over the last half-century, it is the version that was most used by theologians because of its unbiased approach, and you can access it on-line here: Bible: Revised Standard Version
     
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    The governing body has to catch up for goodness sakes! There is God. There is people's opinion of God.

    THAT IS TWO GODS!

    God is a............trinity.

    God is not a...........trinity.

    Can you see that in both cases it is saying God is a?

    Forget the a! OK? Now try, God is THE.
     
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    Please just answer the question,

    *** w79 6/15 pp. 22-23 par. 4 “The Dead in Christ Shall Rise First” ***
    4 By his sacrificial death Jesus Christ bought back or redeemed all the human family who are dying “in Adam.” Hence, they all “belong to the Christ.” However, the resurrecting of even the first ones of the human dead must wait till after the “presence,” or parousia, of Jesus Christ begins. This official presence begins with his second coming. According to the “sign” that Jesus foretold and also according to certain Bible time measurements, his invisible “presence,” or parousia, began in autumn of 1914 C.E.—Matt. 24:3.

    According to the highlighted parts of the quote, when did Jesus' PRESENCE begin?
     
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    I love that you are dedicated to your research and it is amazing and very good, but he can't even grasp the simplest ideas. Your ideas are far beyond simple. I don't think you should stop. There might be someone who gets you. It isn't @kjw47. I am sure.
     
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    Correction of the ERRORS your "real teachers" taught, right?

    *** w50 11/15 p. 462 Fraudulent Religious Relics ***
    All error and lies are of the Devil and are certainly a great reproach and dishonor to God. (John 8:44; Rom. 1:25) Consequently, Jehovah is against all such pious frauds that teach lies in His name and He will clean them out at Armageddon.

    How do you get past this kjw47?
     
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    Thank you! kjw47 nor any witness can answer that question honestly, if they do, they will have no choice but concede that they are wrong. That will make their "true teachers" wrong, and they just won't have that.

    Matthew 24:30 (ESV Strong's) Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    Jesus said that in plain language. The sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and everyone will SEE Him coming, but witnesses can't believe that, they will believe this teaching of the 'slave' tho,

    *** it-2 p. 678 Presence ***
    Some, on the basis of texts speaking of Jesus’ being seen “coming in clouds with great power and glory” (Mr 13:26; Re 1:7), conclude that his presence must be a visible one. Yet, as shown under the heading CLOUD (Illustrative Usage), the use of clouds in connection with other divine manifestations suggests invisibility rather than visibility.

    They reject what Jesus says and hold fast to their "real teachers" teaching.
     
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    That is a bucket of worms. I think that it was written that every eye will see "IT", not him. Every eye will be aware of his coming.
     
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    Imagine if you will, the coming of an important personage. You might never see the actual person, but you will know he is present. How so? Traffic, security, no hotel rooms, and if you are lucky to actually get a room, inflated prices. There is probably more, but I'm done.
     
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    Maybe, but,

    Matthew 24:30 (ESV Strong's) Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    Revelation 1:7 (ESV Strong's) 7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him.

    It says, "the sign will appear in heaven AND they will see the Son of Man coming"

    "Behold, He is coming with the clouds AND every eye will see Him"
     
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    What I mean is that if you look up the word translated "him" it seems to also mean "it".
     
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    You polled EVERY scholar on earth what white means in the Bible to make that claim, right? Or is that just an assumption?


    :shrug: Doesn't make any sense! Every eye will see His coming, but not Him? An eye can be aware of His coming without seeing Him?
     
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    This is how your "real teachers" interpret Revelation kjw47! Did you, or any witness out there, know that the TWO witnesses in Rev 11 were appointed as your "faithful and discrete slave"?

    *** w14 11/15 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***
    Who are the two witnesses mentioned in Revelation chapter 11?

    Revelation 11:3 speaks of two witnesses who would prophesy for 1,260 days. The account then says that the wild beast would “conquer them and kill them.” But after “three and a half days,” these two witnesses would be brought back to life, much to the amazement of all onlookers.—Rev. 11:7, 11.
    Who are these two witnesses? The details of the account help us to identify them. First, we are told that they “are symbolized by the two olive trees and the two lampstands.” (Rev. 11:4) This reminds us of the lampstand and two olive trees described in the prophecy of Zechariah. Those olive trees were said to picture “the two anointed ones,” that is, Governor Zerubbabel and High Priest Joshua, “standing alongside the Lord of the whole earth.” (Zech. 4:1-3, 14) Second, the two witnesses are described as performing signs similar to those performed by Moses and Elijah.—Compare Revelation 11:5, 6 with Numbers 16:1-7, 28-35 and 1 Kings 17:1; 18:41-45.
    What is the common denominator that links these references? In each case, the account refers to God’s anointed ones who took the lead during a difficult time of testing. So in the fulfillment of Revelation chapter 11, the anointed brothers who took the lead at the time of the establishment of God’s Kingdom in heaven in 1914 preached “in sackcloth” for three and a half years.
    At the end of their preaching in sackcloth, these anointed ones were symbolically killed when they were thrown into prison for a comparatively shorter period of time, a symbolic three and a half days. In the eyes of the enemies of God’s people, their work had been killed, causing those opponents much joy.—Rev. 11:8-10.
    However, true to the words of the prophecy, at the end of the three and a half days, the two witnesses were brought back to life. Not only were these anointed ones released from prison but those who remained faithful received a special appointment from God through their Lord, Jesus Christ. In 1919 they were among those who were appointed to serve as a “faithful and discreet slave” to care for the spiritual needs of God’s people during the last days.—Matt. 24:45-47; Rev. 11:11, 12.
     
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    It is written that he is coming with the clouds. Every eye will see his coming with the clouds. I don't think it is written that every eye will see him coming in the clouds.
     
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    Eyes can be aware of the clouds in which he comes.
     
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    The Greek word, used in Rev. 1:7, is auton - 3rd person masculine personal pronoun. Therefore translated as "Him". Auton is very rarely translated as "it". I could find no version translating auton as "it" here. John states that Jesus is coming "with" the clouds not hidden "in" the clouds. Evidenced by the fact that every eye shall see Him.
     
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    I think it might mean that every eye will see Christ's clouds.
    Clouds are formed by water vapor. A cloud is also a mist.
    See Genesis 2:6
    And also Matthew 24:14
     
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    With the clouds, see Him.
     
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