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Featured spirit of antichrist is in the world today

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by kjw47, Aug 19, 2017.

  1. kjw47

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    Satan lost the war in heaven, he was cast to this earth, never allowed back in heaven--He receives his crown= he sat on the throne--Gods kingdom rules in heaven at present, coming to this earth soon.
     
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    White = righteous--in every spot in the bible--You call Jesus the beast ruled by satan--how blind. how little your teachers know about anything.

    Rev 13--7 headed beast--represents the 7 world powers of all time--all ruled by satan--10 horns( kingdoms) a place where kingdoms gather--a 2 horned beast( 2 kingdoms working together as the 7th world power) excercises all authority( resolutions) of the first beast--cannot buy or sell( sanctions)--makes fire( destruction) come down out of the heavens( bombs and missiles)

    All can see it happening, but are blind to the reality of it, because their teachers are blind guides.
     
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    The teachings of Jesus prove it all--Few know them.
     
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    I am trying to tell you that some of the thought is wrong. So, you are saying that it is alright to be wrong. On the other hand, the people who are not Jehovah's Witnesses you say they will die for being wrong.
     
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    Why have you added war to righteous?
     
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    Few accept the teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses that of all the people who have ever lived, Jehovah God calls the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses righteous.
     
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    The teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses who do say that Revelation 6:2 pictures Jesus has Jesus coming forth first before war, famine, and death and so if he didn't ride, then he would not let war, famine and death ride. Because if what you say is really the truth, then you must blame Jesus for war, famine, and death.

    Whoever Revelation 6:2 pictures is the one who is bringing forth war, famine, and death to the World.

    It is so very obvious that Jesus does not ride with war, famine, and death that this applies TO YOU. > 2 Corinthians 4:4
     
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    Please READ the first sentence again,

    *** w79 6/15 p. 23 par. 4 “The Dead in Christ Shall Rise First” ***
    This official presence begins with his second coming.

    What does it say kjw47? Does it say,

    His second coming begins with His presence?

    Or,

    His official presence begins with His second coming?

    Please don't sacrifice your integrity to make you right and me wrong! What does it say?

    Revelation 6:1-2 (ESV Strong's) 1 Now I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Come!” 2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer.

    So that isn't a future event John saw, it was a history listen?
     
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    And probably millions of others make the same claim.

    Unless one has a good understanding of traditional Judaism, their knowledge of what Jesus taught and its significance would be at least somewhat limited, and my experience is that very few Christians have that kind of background. Therefore, let me recommend to you, and anyone else reading this post, that you study early Judaism from Jewish or unaffiliated sources.
     
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    Not in Revelation 6, it's not a righteous war, it's the antichrist coming to power.
     
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    The antichrist substitutes for The Christ so he does like the Christ would do. He acts as though he is righteous. It is why people believe him!. He might even believe that he is righteous. Thus, a white horse.
     
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    @kjw47

    Is the meaning of sin letting wrongness prevail?

    You have taken it upon yourself as a Jehovah's Witness to correct the wrong belief that God dwells as a trinity.

    Can you tell us what will prevail by the belief that God is a trinity or not?

    On the other hand, you have chosen to be led by a group of men. You believe they have been placed in position
    to declare the will of God which, of course, WILL prevail.

    The Bible says nothing about what a person must believe of The Supreme Being; God Almighty: Jehovah.
    As a matter of an aside, I believe that to decide what God is is to make an image of God in your mind, which seems to be some kind of sin. Please see Exodus 20:4-6

    I trust that you are taking it upon yourself to obey a rule that never was (which rule is to know what God is) and that you are disobeying scores of real Bible rules, commands, orders and warnings.

    Do you want to know what they are?
     
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    I can hear people say, Exodus 20:4 is about making a physical image.

    James 1:14-16 each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. Don't be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters.

    Matthew 5:28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

    So, every image ever made began as a thought, which led to a desire and the desire caused a making of it.

    All three are bad.
     
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    Your "real teachers" have you deceived kjw47.

    Who do you really believe, Jesus or the 7 men that claim to be the slave?

    Jesus said,

    John 5:27-29 (ESV Strong's) 27 And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

    If, "we will all" stand before the judgment throne, why doesn't Jesus say that? Why does He separate the good and the evil? He should have said, 'all who are in the tombs....to the resurrection of judgment'.

    Jesus also said,

    Matthew 8:22 (ESV Strong's) 22 And Jesus said to him, “Follow me, and leave the dead to bury their own dead.

    Luke 9:60 (KJV) 60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

    Do we have dead non existent people burying dead non existent people? No, we have unrighteous people burying dead people.

    Revelation 20:12 (ESV Strong's) 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.

    When's the last time you saw a dead person "standing"? The dead are the unrighteous. Like Jesus said, "those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment".

    Ephesians 2:1-3 (ESV Strong's) 1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

    Ephesians 2:4-7 (ESV Strong's) 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

    Colossians 2:13-14 (ESV Strong's) 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands.

    Being dead means being separated from God. Notice in all three references of the dead, it says, "in trespasses and sins"= separation from God!

    It says in Col 2:13-14 that God HAS forgiven us ALL our trespasses, He CANCELED the record of debt that stood against us, so why would one who has been forgiven of their crimes have to stand before a judge?
     
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    God will correct all of it. Most has been corrected. New light will come, I truly believe Rev 16 has begun. It is almost done. This is why they will die--Luke 10:16-- any who reject Jesus appointed teachers are rejecting Jesus and God as well.
     
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    2 rides of the white horse in Revelation--the war in heaven= rev 6--and Har-mageddon. both are righteous wars.
     
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    It only matter what God thinks.
     
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    All that came to the earth in abundance-1914 and on.
    Millions slaughtered in ww1--millions more died all over the earth after the war--starvation, diseases, etc.
    God warned the earth over 1900 years ago in revelation.
    At Har-mageddon when Jesus rides to the earth leading Gods armies--over 7 billion will perish.
     
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    You can twist it any way you want--Jesus did not come back to the earth yet. He sat on his throne in heaven during the presence.
     
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    100% undeniable fact of the Israelite religion--taught, served and worshipped a single being God named-YHVH(Jehovah)
    My teachers took 80 years of studying, bible(s) old writings, history, languages. before they translated to truth. The NWT corrected the many errors in trinity translation--facts prove it.
     
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