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Featured spirit of antichrist is in the world today

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by kjw47, Aug 19, 2017.

  1. kjw47

    kjw47 Well-Known Member

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    Each individual on earth with the usage of their own free will chooses the path they take. They stand alone at judgement. Gods elite spiritual king David had sexual relations with another mans wife, then sent the man to his death to the front lines of war to keep her.
    Peter lied about knowing Jesus, after all he witnessed Jesus do. The rest ran and hid. Anyone can fall. Its important to recognize it and repent. And stand back up.
     
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    What year was that???Its 2017 now. Where are we? God doesn't hold ones errors against them if they repent, so neither does a follower of Jesus--corrections is the same as repenting per-se
     
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    Have you ever read the bible? Over and over in the ot the elite spiritual kings of Israel apostocised and mislead the flock. Not all appointed remain standing.
    David was Gods anointed king--He screwed another mans wife and sent her husband to his death--Solomon, Gods anointed king--fell to false god worship because he took foreign wives( God told Israel not to do that)--its the main reason they fell over and over in the ot. Does one actually believe that satan doesn't attack Jesus seed( anointed) relentlessly? They are imperfect mortals, not all have stood.
     
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    The bible warns--do not ever think you are standing strong. Everyday is a battle--Satan rules this world. Its not so easy to try and live righteous in a world ruled by satan. Its way worse now than in Sodom and Gommorah. Hollywood,music, video games= Immoral sex, violence, the occult---3 things God hates. 99% are being mislead.
     
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    Satan is not a dead mortal! Satan and his demons are who God created hell for. Why would God create a 'dirt, earthly grave' for a spirit creature?
     
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    Try reading verses 11-13!
     
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    That you know they go over and over means you are a governing body member. How else would you know?
    Also, that they must go over and over a conclusion just means that they are not listening to what the Spirit says to the congregation.
     
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    Judas was not one of the 144,000. Who told you that?
     
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    I understand. But then, they can't say they are no part of the world! It's a lie!
    They haven't endured to the end yet so they can't rightly say they are of the 144,000. It's a lie!
    How many have died without confessing their lies?
     
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    OK. That someone else is wrong does not make you right. That is what I am saying.
     
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    Right! But, that they have not stood PROOVES they are not the 144,000! You are using David as an example, but your real teachers say David IS NOT one of the 144,000. Do you not know that? Have you read the Watchtower?
     
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    You are not listening. It's not as though I didn't know that, but, boy oh boy, I am just glad that I can laugh about it.

    People who Satan can mislead ARE NOT OF THE 144,000.
     
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    Judas was of 12, not 144,000.
     
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    @kjw47
    Can you finish this sentence?

    The 144,000 are people who_________________________.
     
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    Somewhere in the reality, there are 144,000 souls who stand with Christ. YOU have been taught that it is possible to be one and then not be one. I just want you to know that and to think about it.

    I trust that one definition of the 144,000 is a soul who had stood faithful to God.

    Is there anything wrong with that definition?

    If it is right, then a person who doesn't stand firm wasn't of the 144,000.

    It really should be as easy as one and one is two, and I do not know why nobody gets it.
     
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    You know very well that I presented the NWT - your bible version - or maybe you forgot or didn't see them or something.

    So, I'll give you, once again, another opportunity to go to your version and directly engage these two texts and give an explanation as to how they relate to your theology.

    Psalm 102:24-27
    24 I said: “O my God, Do not do away with me in the middle of my life, You whose years span all generations.+25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the work of your hands.+26 They will perish, but you will remain; Just like a garment they will all wear out. Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.27 But you are the same, and your years will never end.+

    This is relating the eternal and immutable (unchanging) nature of YHWH.

    Hebrews 1:8-12
    8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+ 10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+

    "about the SON", He (God v.5) speaks throughout these verses that "At the beginning, O Lord, you (the Son) laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+

    Your own NWT demonstrates that the Son (Jesus) is revealed in the New Testament as eternal, immutable YHWH in the Old Testament.

    As an aside, Your claim that Michael the Archangel became Jesus is also refuted in the next two verses of your own version:

    13 But about which of the angels has he ever said: “Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet”?+14 Are they not all spirits for holy service,*+ sent out to minister for those who are going to inherit salvation?

    Echoed in Psalm 110 Jehovah declared to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand+Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”+
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    Ps.132: 5 Until I find a place for Jehovah, A fine residence* for the Powerful One of Jacob.”+ 6 Look! We heard about it in Ephʹra·thah;+We found it in the fields of the forest.+ 7 Let us come into his residence;*+Let us bow down at his footstool.+

    The logical - Biblical answer to this rhetorical question of verse 13 is of course NONE. Including Michael.
     
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    @kjw47 I think you have to agree with me that every one of the 144,000 is a soul who has to "endure to the end".
    You have been taught that a person can be one of the144,000 but not endure to the end.
    I understand that you say he WAS one of the 144,000 until he proved unfaithful.
    But, unfaithfulness IS NOT a sign of any of the 144,000.

    Can anyone see that the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses is ruining minds in the name of goodness?
     
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    Sheol=Hebrew=The grave=Hades-Greek= The grave=Hell-English--- Hell is not where satan is going to. He will be destroyed in the lake of fire.
     
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    What about it?
     
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    I said they make sure--the flock is taught every utterance from God--over and over--because they listen to Jesus.
     
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