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Featured spirit of antichrist is in the world today

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by kjw47, Aug 19, 2017.

  1. kjw47

    kjw47 Well-Known Member

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    I cant help anyone who cant understand English.
     
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    No apostate ever knew a truth before the JW teachers did. Only in twisted reasonings of those who stand in opposition
     
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    Jesus denied his diety--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--- the blind, lead by blind guides---outright refuse to believe Jesus over mens dogma. How sad.
     
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    About to happen means you know when. If you didn't think you knew when how can you say, "about to happen"? I realize about is not a particular date, but it is enough to say you know. You don't know.
     
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    Then, who translated the Bible?
     
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    The Jehovah's Witnesses have been lying about the end being "soon" for a hundred years!
     
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    You don't know what Jesus teaches

    1)Matthew 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added to you( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
    2)Matt 5:5--Happy are the meek, for they will inherit the EARTH---(Not heaven.) Only the little flock( Luke 12:32) is promised heaven-Rev 14:3--144,000 BOUGHT from the earth.
    3)Lords prayer--Hallowed be thy( Father) name= YHVH(Jehovah)
    4)Jesus teaches he has a God, like we do- his Father( John 20:17, Rev 3:12)--so does Paul-2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28)--Peter at 1Pet 1:3--John at Rev 1:6--- contradicts the crap out of every trinity teacher on earth.
    5)Jesus while praying to his God and Father--John 17:1-6,26---The one who sent Jesus= THE ONLY TRUE GOD= The Father( John 5:30)--= verse 6 = YHVH(Jehovah) 26= YHVH(Jehovah)
    6)The bottom line reality of what a true followers heart accomplishes daily= John 4:22-24--The Father= YHVH(Jehovah)


    These truths are NEVER taught correctly in a single building called church,
    All must ask themselves--Since Jesus said the 2 things at Matt 6:33= ultra important( First in ones daily life)--a true followers heart tells their mind every single day to accomplish both of these. All better take a good look.
     
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    There are events put forth in Revelation for all to watch it come. Rev 13 has been occurring for years. We are well past that( but it is still occurring) all the way until Har-mageddon.
     
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    Only 2 that I know of---Catholicism, and the JW,s---alls eternal life is in the hands of the translators being correct. ( Every trinity translation was done out of Catholicism works) all originals were gone by the time protestants translated. They did not correct the errors.
     
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    You have been taught wrong about Har-mageddon. It isn't something that is going to happen.
    It is happening.
     
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    Wow, and we should listen to you? The Jehovah's Witnesses did not translate the Bible.
    It was already in English way, way, way before any of your Jesus' teachers were even born.
     
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    It has nothing to do with English. You said,

    You said Jesus DID use God's name, and referenced John 17:6, 26, neither of those verses has Jesus using that name. If God wanted His name used as bad as you are saying He did, why is it NOT recorded that Jesus or anyone in the New Testament using it on a regular bases? Not one time while talking about God or the Father is it RECORDED that any of the New Testament writers, participants or bystanders used that name, except for the FEW times they QUOTED OT scripture. You claim God inspired His name in the Bible, it is RECORDED over and over in the OT of people using it, why did they not RECORD the use of it in the NT? WHY WAS THE NAME NOT USED ON A REGULAR BASES AND RECORDED?

    The words, God and Father together are recorded at least 11 times in the NT, why was the name "Jehovah" never used along with them?

    Jesus was praying "to" the Father in John 17. He said He made His name known, but not once did He refer to the Father as "Jehovah" in that prayer, why not?

    John 17:6 (ESV Strong's) 6 “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.

    That would have been the PERFECT point to utter the name, wouldn't you say?

    'I have manifested your name, Jehovah, to the people'. Why did He NOT USE IT?

    John 17:12 (ESV Strong's) 12 While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

    'While I was with them Jehovah, I kept them in your name'. But, He didn't say that either, why not?
     
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    Lol, do you know the REAL definition of apostate?

    I am not, nor have I ever been associated with the witnesses, therefore, I am NOT an apostate. No one living before 1914 are apostates either.

    Your teachers still DO NOT know the truth, that's apparent by the ever changing mistakes they make!
     
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    Luke 16:10
    10 The person faithful in what is least is faithful also in much, and the person unrighteous in what is least is unrighteous also in much.

    You are not right about the Jehovah's Witnesses translating the Bible from the original Hebrew and Greek. That they referred to the Greek does not mean they translated it. They used the English version to produce the New World Translation. It is not for debate. It is a fact.
     
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    You have to put commentary to scripture so I won't guess what you're implying. I can't read Kings James Version.

    :leafwind:

    John 17:5 Now, Father, glorify me (Jesus) with your own self with the glory which I (the father) had with you (jesus) before the world existed.

    Sounds like Jesus wanted his father to glorify him since father had already chosen for his son to be glorified even before the world existed.

    John 17:6 I revealed your name to the people whom you have given me out of the world. They were yours, and you have given them to me. They have kept your word.

    I (jesus) have revealed your name whom you (god) gave me (jesus) out to the world. They were yours (the father's) an you (the father) gave them to me (jesus). [As a result], they kept your word [through me-jesus]

    No where in this does it say god's name. In Exodus, God says "I AM who I AM" with no reference to a specific name. To call him a name is to make him into our description when I could have sworn god cannot be described by us. Jesus didn't change Moses' laws.

    You must believe jesus is god. I know he is not. Though, I've debated it with scripture both sides in fact on RF many times.

    John 17: 26 I made known to them your name, and will make it known; that the love with which you loved me may be in them, and I in them."

    The name that jesus said to god he'd made known is himself. Since the only way to get to god is jesus (hence john 3:16) and he is the light of the world, of course god would designate a special name for his son.

    The problem isn't about the name. God has no name. The problem is trinitarian thinking jesus is god only because of the type of relationship jesus had with his father. It's a total misconception, missing pronouns, conjunctions, and prepositions. But that's okay. People come to god in many ways. Some idolize the human christ, others do not.

    It is what it is.
     
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    God does not need a name to be god. That's what you guys want to connect with him more. It's literally trying to idolize god to relate to him.The Jews don't do this. That's all christian.
     
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    That's all witness, not Christian! They believe God wants everyone to know and use His personal name, when in fact, God wants everyone to know His character, not a name.
     
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    Witnesses are christian. In some religions, the name of a person describes his character. Many cultues do this. Deaf culture has a naming system based on who is Deaf, deaf (depending on the community they identify), and hearing.

    It makes sense for some christians to want god have a name. However, I notice christians dont think outside the bible. The bible can say two and two id five and never question the validity of scripture. Naming makes sense. Its just not jewish teaching and not scriptural (if christians say they migrate from the jews).
     
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    What is "sad" is the fact that time and time again you do not actually engage the proposition I present to you. You construct strawmen, irrelevant babble, and mindless repetition. What in the world does this response have to do with my Scripture reference to the very premise of this thread (which you started) dealing with the "spirit of antichrist" and my identifying it with the JW's dogma? Nothing whatsoever. It must mean you agree since you don't offer any objection to my assessment.

    "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus has come in the flesh is from God: and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist of which you have heard that is coming, and now is already in the world." 1 John 4:2-3

    There is no Michael here. It is Jesus who has come in the flesh. The preincarnate Son of God has come at the incarnation of the God-man - Jesus. There is no preexistent Michael the Archangel coming to earth to become the man Jesus. That is in your eisegetical imagination. Go to the text if your dare.

    You also fled in defeat when I presented these 2 texts from your very own NWT. I'm calling you out again. I dare you to deal with these exegetically.

    Ps.102:25-27
    Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth,
    And the heavens are the work of your hands.+
    26 They will perish, but you will remain;
    Just like a garment they will all wear out.
    Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
    27 But you are the same, and your years will never end.+
    28 The children of your servants will dwell securely,
    And their offspring will be firmly established before you.”+
    The "you" refers to "You God" in verse 24

    This tells us that God is immutable, He does not change. It is only true about God.

    Heb.1:8-12
    But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+ 10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+

    The kai/and in verse 10 continues what God says about the Son in vs. 8 and 9.

    Go ahead, make my day!
     
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    You need to reread. Jesus leads Gods armies to the earth ar Har-mageddon. It has not yet occurred.
    Gods kingdom rule is coming with him, it has not occurred.
     
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