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Speed of Light and the Age of the Universe

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Life did NOT arise first on land. It arose first in water (maybe tidal ponds). Birds did NOT come out of the sea (they are a type of dinosaur) and other species have arisen since humans have been around.

Looks like it is wrong on almost every point.

Did life begin on land rather than in the sea?
A paradigm-shifting hypothesis could reshape our idea about the origin of life
July 18, 2017.
University of California - Santa Cruz.
Summary:
A new discovery pushes back the time for the emergence of microbial life on land by 580 million years and also bolsters a paradigm-shifting hypothesis that life began, not in the sea, but on land.

Did life begin on land rather than in the sea? A paradigm-shifting hypothesis could reshape our idea about the origin of life


Birds are avian dinosaurs.
Dinosaurs come from reptiles
Reptiles come from amphibians
Amphibians come from the "lobe-fins"
Lobe fin from traditional fish

So that's how birds came out of the sea.

This verse in Genesis would have tested the faith of people, and
stretched their credibility to breaking point - how can the sea
bring forth life if God is supposed to have created life?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The sun shines on Venus and Titan too. At one stage scientists think
earth was little like both these worlds.
The problem with sea water first life is the salt. Scientists recently were
looking at hydrothermal vents but the concensus now is that life came
from fresh water, (ie "land" to the bible, and land life before sea life.)

The seas were not always salty, once earth cooled enough for water to liqify it was straight from steam... I.e. distilled water

Also could you please provide your source for this consensus you mention
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Did life begin on land rather than in the sea?
A paradigm-shifting hypothesis could reshape our idea about the origin of life
July 18, 2017.
University of California - Santa Cruz.
Summary:
A new discovery pushes back the time for the emergence of microbial life on land by 580 million years and also bolsters a paradigm-shifting hypothesis that life began, not in the sea, but on land.

Did life begin on land rather than in the sea? A paradigm-shifting hypothesis could reshape our idea about the origin of life


Birds are avian dinosaurs.
Dinosaurs come from reptiles
Reptiles come from amphibians
Amphibians come from the "lobe-fins"
Lobe fin from traditional fish

So that's how birds came out of the sea.

This verse in Genesis would have tested the faith of people, and
stretched their credibility to breaking point - how can the sea
bring forth life if God is supposed to have created life?

If you are going to twist the science that much, there is no basis for discussion.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
If you are going to twist the science that much, there is no basis for discussion.

I didn't fake this web site link, nor any other detailing how life would emerge
easier with fresh water environment than with salt water.
A good scientist is one who approaches all things with an open mind.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
I didn't fake this web site link, nor any other detailing how life would emerge
easier with fresh water environment than with salt water.
A good scientist is one who approaches all things with an open mind.

Saying life came from land when it came from pools of water that are inland is a stretch. Saying that birds came out of the water because distant ancestors were water animals is extreme.

Yes, be open minded. Look at what the Bible says in the context of when it was written. And look at what the science says in the context in which it is understood. You will find almost no correlation when it comes to anything dealing with cosmology.
 

dad

Undefeated
Young earth creationists believe that the earth is between 6000 and 12,000 year old typically, but we can observe the light from stars that are more than 6000 to 12,000 light years away. That means these stars existed before God created the universe.

One YEC attempt at resolving this issue is to suggest that the speed of light was dramatically faster in the past than it is today. There is a problem with this though as I posted in another thread:

If the speed of light was significantly higher in the past than today, there would have been a corresponding increase in energy released by matter (E=M*C squared.) All stars require the reaction of matter in order for there to be the fusion that makes them work. If the universe was as young as they suggest and we apply Einstein's equation to our sun, then 6000 years ago our sun would have put out about 800 billion times the energy it does today. Too toasty for life.

All we need is for time to be different out there beyond our solar system area. That way we do not speed light up in (our) space, but simply have less or different time existing so that not so much time is involved!
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
All we need is for time to be different out there beyond our solar system area. That way we do not speed light up in (our) space, but simply have less or different time existing so that not so much time is involved!


If you want to make that claim the burden of proof is upon you. There is evidence that it is the same.
 

dad

Undefeated
If you want to make that claim the burden of proof is upon you. There is evidence that it is the same.
The claim is that science neither knows what time is like, not has been anywhere out there away from our 'fishbowl' of the solar system area. Once we see that they really do not know, all claims based on it being the same fade into comical oblivion.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The claim is that science neither knows what time is like, not has been anywhere out there away from our 'fishbowl' of the solar system area. Once we see that they really do not know, all claims based on it being the same fade into comical oblivion.
dad, are you willing to learn? That is all that I ask.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
All we need is for time to be different out there beyond our solar system area. That way we do not speed light up in (our) space, but simply have less or different time existing so that not so much time is involved!

Way too easy to detect. We just need to measure anything that has a known time interval in a distant galaxy and compare to what we see here.

Result: time is the same wherever we look, and back in time also (for co-moving observers, that is).
 

dad

Undefeated
Way too easy to detect. We just need to measure anything that has a known time interval in a distant galaxy and compare to what we see here.

Result: time is the same wherever we look, and back in time also (for co-moving observers, that is).
Comically wrong.

Where do you 'measure'? Here. Only here. Always here. Nowhere else ever. So what do you think time would be like here, if not what....well time is like here! Now what has that got to do with THERE??
 

dad

Undefeated
Saying life came from land when it came from pools of water that are inland is a stretch. Saying that birds came out of the water because distant ancestors were water animals is extreme.

Yes, be open minded. Look at what the Bible says in the context of when it was written. And look at what the science says in the context in which it is understood. You will find almost no correlation when it comes to anything dealing with cosmology.
God made the universe so of course it has to do with stars and etc.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Are you? Let's assume all here are in a learning adventure, shall we. Now, post something topical and meaty and interesting.

It does not work that way. You have to agree to try to learn and be true to your word. I do not lecture to empty space.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Comically wrong.

Where do you 'measure'? Here. Only here. Always here. Nowhere else ever. So what do you think time would be like here, if not what....well time is like here! Now what has that got to do with THERE??

Sad. Cognitive dissonance is strong with this one... clearly, does not want to learn anything new.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Cite the post where I said this? (speaking of lying)

When you claimed the speed of light was different, elsewhere in the Universe.

If, as you claim, "God made it all"

Then, the logical conclusion is god made the speed of light different, elsewhere-- why?

To deceive is poor humans? Why would god lie like that?
 
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