Speaking of virgins ...

[blackout]

Morse ~ it's a very interesting read, and i've read it a couple of times as a believer, and learned a little Arabic to do so. there are many ways to interpret this verse (including that these "virgins" will be the spouses one knew on earth but young, beautiful, and virginal again in heaven), but we have a Quranic verse (at least one) talking about enjoying one's self with virgins in heaven, who are there apparently for the sole or primary purpose of sexual enjoyment.

Heaven's sex toys.

 

[ayani]

i actually converted from Islam to Christianity, and never read the Bible growing up (in a nominally Christian home). i was surpised to finally read the Bible and see how linear, contextualized, and understandable its contents were. the Quran is very beautiful and wide in scope, but really has no linear or historical context for understanding its contents, at least not within the Quran itself. this is why many Muslims use the hadith (extra-Quranic texts on the life and sayings of Mohammad) to contextualize and understand the Quran.

 

[Ba'al]

Unlike the Christians, the Muslims have kept the word of Allah separate from other historical books. In the Bible there are genealogies, stories, songs, liturgical practices, laws, etc. and depending on which bible you pick up it may contain 66 books or 73. The Quran is Gods word only and for other tradition Muslims read other books like the Hadith, which is the book you are referring to about the 72 WIVES, not virgins. The reason the Quran has not been changed is because it was memorized first before scribes wrote it down. The Quran had been and still is memorized by thousands of Muslims in the Arabic language. It would be impossible to try to change it. As far as I know there are slight differences in translations into other languages but no deviations in Arabic since it was revealed. I hope that answers your question.

 

[Draka]

Why in the world would anyone want a bunch of virgins as some kind of reward in heaven??? My goodness! If it's to be heaven then I want the works. Forget virgins! They don't know what they're doing! Give me some Pros! Get the guys and gals from some great and intriguing porn! You know...the really raunchy and fun stuff. The hanging upside down held up by 3 guys stuff. Stuff with all kinds of toys and contraptions you're not even sure how to use...but they do Hell with virgins. Gimme some professionals! :yes:

 

[Morse]

Why in the world would anyone want a bunch of virgins as some kind of reward in heaven??? My goodness! If it's to be heaven then I want the works. Forget virgins! They don't know what they're doing! Give me some Pros! Get the guys and gals from some great and intriguing porn! You know...the really raunchy and fun stuff. The hanging upside down held up by 3 guys stuff. Stuff with all kinds of toys and contraptions you're not even sure how to use...but they do Hell with virgins. Gimme some professionals! :yes:

I really hope I don't have to share the after life with you, sounds rather tiring.

 

[Draka]

I really hope I don't have to share the after life with you, sounds rather tiring.

:ignore:

 

[Kerr]

I remembered an episode of Family Guy. A terrorist enters heaven, open his arms and say "here I am", just to realize all the virgins are male geeks playing D&D... lol.

 

[rojse]

Hey guys, Im not sure about this, but I think it was a mistranslation.

I believe it first occured when the first crusade was held, and the Europeans mistranslated it from "72 bushels of grapes" to "72 virgins".

I may be wrong, I demand we get a professional in here.

Well, if I got to heaven to find seventy-two bushels of grapes instead of seventy-two virgins, I'd expect a refund.

 

[rojse]

Heaven's sex toys.

So, you're interested then, Ultra?

I think you might be overqualified for such a position, though.

 

[Tiberius]

Of course, the reason they prefer virgins is because it avoids criticism...

And we all know the only virgins they get will be wearing Spock ears and playing D&D...

 

[rojse]

I really hope I don't have to share the after life with you, sounds rather tiring.

Well, you're in a bind, aren't you? Have fun with that.

 

[S-word]

I'm confused. Regarding the virgins that the suicide bombers are supposed to get in 'heaven', is it 75 virgins EACH, or TOTAL? I mean, that's a very serious question that I would want to know the answer to if I were a jihadist. It has serious implications for the motivation of any jihadists, I imagine.

On the flip side, this could be a major ad campaign that stops suicide bombers once and for all. Can you imagine the ads being dropped from the planes and plastered everywhere that reads "STOP! IT'S 75 VIRGINS TOTAL!"

Reminds of the time that the suicide bomber, having passed over to the other side, awoke to find himself surrounded by beautiful virgins. Choosing a stunning blonde he lay her down beside him, then suddenly he cried out to her, "Good heavens girl, you haven't got a vagina," to which she replied, "No! Hell isn't it?"

 

[Morse]

Of course, the reason they prefer virgins is because it avoids criticism...

And we all know the only virgins they get will be wearing Spock ears and playing D&D...

There's a group of people at my school who call me Spock, and it took me until this sunday to realize what they were talking about (I've never seen Star Trek before I saw the movie at my dads house).

So now I've got to get to asking why they call me a sociopathic psycho.

 

[Draka]

There's a group of people at my school who call me Spock, and it took me until this sunday to realize what they were talking about (I've never seen Star Trek before I saw the movie at my dads house).

So now I've got to get to asking why they call me a sociopathic psycho.

Sociopathic psycho? Perhaps you need to watch some original Star Trek series or movies. Basically, if someone is calling you Spock they are probably referring to your geeky intelligence or that you seem emotionless/in control of your emotions.

 

[Morse]

Sociopathic psycho? Perhaps you need to watch some original Star Trek series or movies. Basically, if someone is calling you Spock they are probably referring to your geeky intelligence or that you seem emotionless/in control of your emotions.

Whatever. I actually considered watching some original Star Trek, and I might now.

 

[monta]

Sociopathic psycho? Perhaps you need to watch some original Star Trek series or movies. Basically, if someone is calling you Spock they are probably referring to your geeky intelligence or that you seem emotionless/in control of your emotions.

Unless he has very pointy ears and a vidal sasson type haircut circa 1985

 

[Mr Cheese]

of course it could refer to Morse's hairy feet....

...

Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
He's only three feet tall
Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
The bravest little hobbit of them all

Well he fought with the goblins!
He battled a troll!!
He riddled with Gollum!!!
A magic ring he stole!!!!
He was chased by wolves!!!!!
Lost in the forest!!!!!!
Escaped in a barrel from the elf-king's halls!!!!!!!

Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
The bravest little hobbit of them all

Now he's back in his hole in the land of the Shire,
that brave little hobbit whom we all admire,
just a-sittin' on a treasure of silver and gold
a-puffin' on his pipe in his hobbit-hole.

Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
He's only three feet tall
Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
The bravest little hobbit of them all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPh12Q7cpeE

 

[S-word]

Sociopathic psycho? Perhaps you need to watch some original Star Trek series or movies. Basically, if someone is calling you Spock they are probably referring to your geeky intelligence or that you seem emotionless/in control of your emotions.

Or perhaps the person in question just has big ears.

 

[MountainHumanist]

I read a recent article which states some Islamic scholars think the line about virgins may be a bad translation and that the wording may be about white raisins. Makes more sense when one reads the text in context.

Quote from an article in the Guardian (2002)

Luxenberg 's new analysis, leaning on the Hymns of Ephrem the Syrian, yields "white raisins" of "crystal clarity" rather than doe-eyed, and ever willing virgins - the houris. Luxenberg claims that the context makes it clear that it is food and drink that is being offerred, and not unsullied maidens or houris. In Syriac, the word hur is a feminine plural adjective meaning white, with the word "raisin" understood implicitly. Similarly, the immortal, pearl-like ephebes or youths of suras such as LXXVI.19 are really a misreading of a Syriac expression meaning chilled raisins (or drinks) that the just will have the pleasure of tasting in contrast to the boiling drinks promised the unfaithful and damned.


More?

For example, the famous passage about the virgins is based on the word hur, which is an adjective in the feminine plural meaning simply "white." Islamic tradition insists the term hur stands for "houri," which means virgin, but Mr. Luxenberg insists that this is a forced misreading of the text. In both ancient Aramaic and in at least one respected dictionary of early Arabic, hur means "white raisin."
Mr. Luxenberg has traced the passages dealing with paradise to a Christian text called Hymns of Paradise by a fourth-century author. Mr. Luxenberg said the word paradise was derived from the Aramaic word for garden and all the descriptions of paradise described it as a garden of flowing waters, abundant fruits and white raisins, a prized delicacy in the ancient Near East. In this context, white raisins, mentioned often as hur, Mr. Luxenberg said, makes more sense than a reward of sexual favors.

 

[S-word]

Reminds of the time that the suicide bomber, having passed over to the other side, awoke to find himself surrounded by beautiful virgins. Choosing a stunning blonde he lay her down beside him, then suddenly he cried out to her, "Good heavens girl, you haven't got a vagina," to which she replied, "No! Hell isn't it?"

The message here, being that those innocent child butchering B-st--ds, may receive their promised virgins, but it won't be in some heavenly paradise and them virgins are gonna be eternal virgins; suffer you suicide bombing B-st--ds---suffer.