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Southern Border Wall Construction Back On?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by esmith, Apr 7, 2021.

  1. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

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    Their overall budget wasn't even 21 trillion over that time. There's no way for there to be that much unaccounted spending. The budget just simply isn't big enough.
     
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    If we go by here he's still leaning right. All he's done is modernize the system he's preserving and doing what needs to be done to keep it from collapsing.
     
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    Perhaps it was inevitable that people began to realize that Trump policy was the least evil of all options.

    Building the wall turns out to be a necessity. Deportation turns out to be a necessity. The reality is that the great majority of people crossing the border do not have a legitimate asylum claim. They cross the border illegally because they know their claims would be rejected upon careful consideration.

    It's just sad that people claim to care about the abuse of children while simultaneously advocating for policies that lead to increased human trafficking, child abuse, and inhumane conditions. People should be ashamed for supporting Biden's revocation of sane border policy. Children continue to be separated under the Biden administration. The situation at the border is worse than the past 15 or more years because of Biden.

    The return of Trump policies was inevitable. Trump didn't invent these policies, he simply figured out what works and what doesn't.
     
  4. esmith

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    The Berlin Wall was to keep people in not out!
     
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  5. Isolde Schulz

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    You fail to see the inverse principle of it: it is a daft wall however you'd like to defend it.
    I see that you are a "patriot". Don't visit your belligerence upon others.
     
  6. SigurdReginson

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    Meh... Honestly, I was never impressed with Trump's wall to begin with. It's just not practical for what it tries to achieve. The problem with walls is that people will always try and pick at them to get through. You can't just put up a fence and expect no one to cross it - especially when you use materials that are easily breached with power tools you get from any hardware store.

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    Take a look at history. This isn't the first time people put up massive walls that cover huge lengths of distance to keep people out. When you look at famous walls like Hadrian's Wall or the Great Wall of China, they aren't very impressive fortifications by themselves, but they use the terrain to give a better defensive position, and most importantly, they were manned.

    Instead of just throwing exorbitant amounts of money to build a monumental ego stroke made of paper and sticks, we could spend half of that on a squatter structure and use the rest of that money to have it manned. You could even have intermitent stations of reserve troops that we could send to specific areas in case large groups of people tried to breach specific sections of wall. Hell, we certainly have enough military on hand to do that, at least.

    Whether anyone agrees with the wall or not, the whole thing was handled poorly from it's inception, imo. It was a waste of money.
     
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  7. Thirza Fallen

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    Compared to the other first world nations, the Prez and Veep are center right.
     
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    This is not "other first world nations".
    Biden is left of center going further left
    Harris is way way left of center.....
     
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  10. Thirza Fallen

    Thirza Fallen Crazy Cat Lady

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    We are an anomaly and so far behind the other first world nations. I hope that we can catch up soon.
     
  11. esmith

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    So, tell me why everyone wants to immigrate to the US if we are sOOOO far behind other first world nations.
     
  12. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    I can't figure it out either.
    Ameristan is just terrible....worst in the western world.
    Yet people are dying to come here?
    And we must let them in because leaving them on the
    Mexican side of the border is a cruel human rights violation.
    But to say Mexico is horrible is racist.
    We shouldn't prevent them from entering...that's why Trump
    was so evil. But Biden is preventing many from entering...&
    this is good. Trump caused a crisis by mistreating them.
    Biden increased the crisis, but this is no problem.

    I've no explanation. Mystifying.
    But I wonder if partisanship could be a factor?
     
  13. Kooky

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    The US is nowhere near the country where "everyone wants to migrate to". Per capita, the US actually receives less immigration than many other countries around the world. The foreign citizen population of the US is only four times larger than Germany's, for example - despite Germany having far less than a quarter of America's total population, and Germany being part of the EU, which grants restriction-free residence in Germany to all citizens of EU member states.

    If you look at per capita migration, Qatar of all places is a more attractive migration target than the US, and that's hardly a beacon of liberty, or even a particularly great place to live in if you're a poor migrant who has to get by on badly paid menial jobs! It's a tiny country, though, so naturally the numbers of people who actually fit in there is going to be lower than those inside America's massive transcontinental territory - which creates the misperception that "everyone" wants to go to America when that hasn't been the case for a long time.

    Immigration by Country 2021
    List of countries by net migration rate - Wikipedia

    US net migration rate (that is, the US immigration rate substracted from its emigration rate) has in fact been in decline since 1998, and continues to steadily decrease.

    U.S. Net Migration Rate 1950-2021
     
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  14. Thirza Fallen

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    Everyone doesn't. Third worlders want to immigrate, but not other first worlders.
     
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