Their objection isn't voter ID per se, but IDs deliberately made difficult or costly to obtain.
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Southern Border Crossing for FY2021 Set Record
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And it is not just voter ID that Republicans are pushing without an improved way to acquire them. They are also limiting voting times and places, which makes it harder for poor and even members of some races to vote.
It is clear from the pattern of their laws that they are not worried about voter fraud. They are worried about the "wrong people" voting.
It's the big corporations employing lots of low-skill workers that mostly do this; conservative, Republican and Libertarian leaning companies.
After an ICE raid, few Americans showed up to work at this Texas meatpacking plant
https://www.immigrationreform.com/2...igrant-workers-lawsuit-immigrationreform-com/
tytlyf
Not Religious
Win win for republicans.
Pay peanuts, create border problem to blame on Dems
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Darn!! I was wrong again.
The sad part of it all is that, it never had to be like this. The real problem has gone on for quite a long time, mainly because Congress and multiple Administrations could never make up their minds to poop or get off the pot - at least when it comes to immigration and border issues.
The conservatives and the business community have clearly benefited from the status quo, where they employ undocumented workers willing to work for low pay, but they don't want to make them "legal," because then it means they would be protected by US labor laws, which is the other attraction of hiring "under the table."
It's gotten to the point where the US economy has grown dependent upon an "under the table" labor force. The liberals also seem to be somewhat divided, as they ostensibly want to put forth more humane solutions, yet they still fall short of proposing any meaningful solution (such as granting them full citizenship, which is what the conservatives fear the most). They also have to think of their traditional support from the working classes and organized labor.
Ultimately, I think we have to look at this issue as a human rights issue which would fall under international law. We can't go on with the status quo, because to do so would leave millions of US residents and workers in legal limbo, which makes them vulnerable to violations of their human rights.
We also have to take some responsibility for the conditions existent in the Latin American countries where most of these people are coming from. Perhaps if we implemented some kind "Marshall Plan" in Latin America like we did in Europe, that might work. It might also help to revitalize US industry as well.
A more practical consideration is also that we're going to need friends on our own continent. I've heard some people worried about China and Russia these days, so we should be mindful how we treat the citizens of other countries in our own hemisphere.
How do you know it applies to me? I only asked a question.
How do you know it applies to me? I only asked a question.
I’m interested in this perspective. From your point of view, what are the pros and cons of open borders?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I do not "know" but from what you posted here it appears to be the case.
That’s quite the conclusion you jumped to.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
N
Nope. No jumping needed.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I don't know in the strong. I know that is probable because you are human and apparently we all have different biases and are not fully objective or rational.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Republicans in my area want to make it free and accessible so people won't have any excuse.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Did they do so before passing unnecessary laws?
Do you understand that aliens voting is not a problem?
If you say so.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Others saw it too.
You might need a bit of mental exercise. When a simple step looks like a jump that is not a good sign.
Then the Democrats and Republicans are in agreement on this.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Republican supporters always seem to bring it up as if it was true, so probably?
I don't know how that would even work, by the way.
Doesn't getting US citizenship involve a very long, arduous and costly process that takes years, and isn't it flat out impossible for illegal immigrants to become citizens in the first place?
So how would any given Democrat even get all these illegal immigrants to vote for them even if they wanted to? And how would they guarantee that these immigrants would vote for them in the first place?
This doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me, so could you guys clarify how you think that would work?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Yes, but we still need them. For example how else can Republicans explain Trump's loss? We can't have actual Americans voting for Biden. If we blame illegal immigrants for voting (somehow managing to be completely undetectable) Republicans can maintain their fantasy that Trump won.