South Africa is burning.

[Samael_Khan]

No, it was just as bad as the current.
The reason is that both were facist, wanting to rule everything, controling everyone, and they did not give a damn about anyone.
To me the previous government was a
White Racist Government.

And the current South African government...
A Black Racist government.

With the exception that the current one is totally incapable to create an economy which this country can produce.

That is an interesting take. One that I don't wholly disagree with. The only difference is where the Apartheid government eventually matured into its institutional racism, Zuma's government specifically planted the seeds for it. If someone like Malema (ironically socialist) has to take over then it will mature into what Apartheid eventually became.

And your last point is 100% truth.

 

[SA Huguenot]

I just learned that there are hundreds of Taxi operators who pulled into the East rand CBD's defending the shops, and countering the looters in their attempts.
Just goes to show, Just when this White Afrikaner man thinks everything non white is bad, the true bravery of humans flushes away all preconceived prejudice.
Not only did black farmers join their neighbours to protect themself, but Indians and blacks are seeking the perpetrators out all over.

Its a pitty that the Government cant do any of this.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well I was responding to the OP's experience and many other things I heard. I know both conservatives and liberals can find ways to present statistics most to their likings.

Farm attacks of the types described are not even a thing in first-world countries.

I suppose a lobster fishery isn't technically a farm, but we get things like this here:

Lobster dispute: RCMP release photos of persons of interest in southwest N.S. fish plant arson

 

[Samael_Khan]

I was just watching the communities preparing now in the Western Cape:

Cape Town residents guard their malls - YouTube

Violence in SA | Mandela: stop the mayhem - YouTube

Inkosi Zwelivelile Mandla Mandela also mentioned the community leaders leading the way in speaking to their people in order to resist the riots and that the taxi's intend to blockade malls to stop the spread of the riots.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I just learned that there are hundreds of Taxi operators who pulled into the East rand CBD's defending the shops, and countering the looters in their attempts.
Just goes to show, Just when this White Afrikaner man thinks everything non white is bad, the true bravery of humans flushes away all preconceived prejudice.
Not only did black farmers join their neighbours to protect themself, but Indians and blacks are seeking the perpetrators out all over.

Its a pitty that the Government cant do any of this.

Psst: you said the quiet part out loud.

 

[Samael_Khan]

I just learned that there are hundreds of Taxi operators who pulled into the East rand CBD's defending the shops, and countering the looters in their attempts.
Just goes to show, Just when this White Afrikaner man thinks everything non white is bad, the true bravery of humans flushes away all preconceived prejudice.
Not only did black farmers join their neighbours to protect themself, but Indians and blacks are seeking the perpetrators out all over.

Its a pitty that the Government cant do any of this.

And there is this clip:

Violence in SA | Counting the cost of mass looting - YouTube

 

[Stevicus]

I just learned that there are hundreds of Taxi operators who pulled into the East rand CBD's defending the shops, and countering the looters in their attempts.
Just goes to show, Just when this White Afrikaner man thinks everything non white is bad, the true bravery of humans flushes away all preconceived prejudice.
Not only did black farmers join their neighbours to protect themself, but Indians and blacks are seeking the perpetrators out all over.

Its a pitty that the Government cant do any of this.

Why don't they just call out the army? Do they have anything like a national guard in SA?

 

[Samael_Khan]

Why don't they just call out the army? Do they have anything like a national guard in SA?

The army, SANDF have been called out. The problem is that they have to be careful and do things by the book, as the EFF already are telling their supporters that the army is coming to kill them and they must fight back when the shooting starts. Thank goodness he has been temporarily banned from Twitter.

Also, the taxi's are also pretty capable of waging wars here. We have more faith in them than the government because they don't take nonsense. Same goes with the individual communities. They would be more affective in fighting back than the government because if government gets involved then that gives Zuma and Malema what they want.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I just learned that there are hundreds of Taxi operators who pulled into the East rand CBD's defending the shops, and countering the looters in their attempts.
Just goes to show, Just when this White Afrikaner man thinks everything non white is bad, the true bravery of humans flushes away all preconceived prejudice.
Not only did black farmers join their neighbours to protect themself, but Indians and blacks are seeking the perpetrators out all over.

Its a pitty that the Government cant do any of this.

Mark well the people who do this. Maybe you can get them into government over the next block of years. Get their names.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Your

Psst: you said the quiet part out loud.

e cool

 

[SA Huguenot]

Why don't they just call out the army? Do they have anything like a national guard in SA?

let me give you the facts.
We had what we called the Kommandos which were the military reservists of the old government, which was disolved.
It was too much of a threat to the ANC to have an armed military wing not loyal to the ANC.
we also had the Police reservists, which were normal citizens working with the police in designated areas. This was disolved because the ANC did not like anyone but their own loyal police.
previously the Police reservists used to patrol the rural areas also, and curbed a lot of crime.
Once the reservists were disolved, Farm attacks kicked off, and never stopped.
In the cities, the reservists kept all crime at bay, untill they were discarded, and crime just took over.

As for the SA Army, they are totally incompetant.
The few times they went to assist some african country, they were sent back due to poor discipline, drunkery, and raping women.
The last time the SANDF went into a battle, they misjudged the strength of the Islamic rebels in the Central Democratic Republic, they lost 15 soldiers due to poor logistical support.

Whats more, with the socialist freebees the ANC gives to their voter cattle, they dont budget for the National defence force at all.

South Africa’s army is in a ‘critical state of decline’ – here’s how bad things are right now
Even training in the Defence force is a joke. And believe me, I have some friends working with the military that told me hair raising stories.
In SA we get a lot of funny video clips on the stuff going on in the army.
Here is just one.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Even the military leaders are misappropriating tax payer money.
Leaked document reveals R4bn looting spree at SANDF
Oh, and they buy covid 'vacenes ' from Cuba!
because some fool general believed he is fighting germ warfare!
Leaked document reveals R4bn looting spree at SANDF

 

[Stevicus]

let me give you the facts.
We had what we called the Kommandos which were the military reservists of the old government, which was disolved.
It was too much of a threat to the ANC to have an armed military wing not loyal to the ANC.
we also had the Police reservists, which were normal citizens working with the police in designated areas. This was disolved because the ANC did not like anyone but their own loyal police.
previously the Police reservists used to patrol the rural areas also, and curbed a lot of crime.
Once the reservists were disolved, Farm attacks kicked off, and never stopped.
In the cities, the reservists kept all crime at bay, untill they were discarded, and crime just took over.

As for the SA Army, they are totally incompetant.
The few times they went to assist some african country, they were sent back due to poor discipline, drunkery, and raping women.
The last time the SANDF went into a battle, they misjudged the strength of the Islamic rebels in the Central Democratic Republic, they lost 15 soldiers due to poor logistical support.

Whats more, with the socialist freebees the ANC gives to their voter cattle, they dont budget for the National defence force at all.

South Africa’s army is in a ‘critical state of decline’ – here’s how bad things are right now
Even training in the Defence force is a joke. And believe me, I have some friends working with the military that told me hair raising stories.
In SA we get a lot of funny video clips on the stuff going on in the army.
Here is just one.

Wow, whoever was driving that tank must have been drunk. It appeared everyone was able to get out of the way in time, so I hope no one was hurt.

I've heard about the farm attacks for several years now, and I had read that similar attacks occurred in Zimbabwe. If you kill farmers, you kill your food supply, so it doesn't make any sense at all. Even in war, they would try to keep farms intact, since an army travels on its stomach, unless they're doing some kind of "scorched earth" thing, although I would consider that an atrocity.

If they're trying to bring about political change, then they'd have a greater chance of success by going after the government, not farmers. And if the army is as incompetent as you're describing, it should be relatively easy for them to take over. But if they did, then other nations may be compelled to respond.

If the situation gets bad enough, the US, UK, and other nations might consider possibly sending a force to South Africa. I'm not saying that would happen, but it appears the eyes of the world are looking more closely at South Africa due to the current events affecting that country. Due its resources and geographical location, it does have strategic importance to Western interests. I don't think the West would stand by and let South Africa fall apart, especially since the alternative could mean some other geopolitical rival might gain primacy over the region.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Wow, whoever was driving that tank must have been drunk. It appeared everyone was able to get out of the way in time, so I hope no one was hurt.

I've heard about the farm attacks for several years now, and I had read that similar attacks occurred in Zimbabwe. If you kill farmers, you kill your food supply, so it doesn't make any sense at all. Even in war, they would try to keep farms intact, since an army travels on its stomach, unless they're doing some kind of "scorched earth" thing, although I would consider that an atrocity.

If they're trying to bring about political change, then they'd have a greater chance of success by going after the government, not farmers. And if the army is as incompetent as you're describing, it should be relatively easy for them to take over. But if they did, then other nations may be compelled to respond.

If the situation gets bad enough, the US, UK, and other nations might consider possibly sending a force to South Africa. I'm not saying that would happen, but it appears the eyes of the world are looking more closely at South Africa due to the current events affecting that country. Due its resources and geographical location, it does have strategic importance to Western interests. I don't think the West would stand by and let South Africa fall apart, especially since the alternative could mean some other geopolitical rival might gain primacy over the region.

Well at the moment the help might not seem necessary. Apparently the combination of the Defense Force, taxi's and communities have eased the rioting. Apparently the taxi's were very affective because they shot live ammunition into the air which caused rioters to get scared and dispersed. Communities are helping to clean up the streets at the moment in certain areas. Obviously there are still looters in certain areas but the Taxis and Communities have prevented the rioters from moving into other provinces. It has been confirmed that there were instigators in the Eastern Cape and Western Cape that were attempting to riot but the communities and taxis in these areas dealt with them. The real help will have to come in terms of the economy because this is a huge hit to our country.

Violence in SA | Looting continues in certain areas - YouTube

 

[Valjean]

Exactly! Using S.A. as supposedly being "socialistic" is complete nonsense as it is far more capitalistic than socialistic.

Yes, there are socialistic elements there, but then it begs the questions as to what kind of "socialism" are we talking about, and also is that label just a convenient name to try and gain support from the masses, such as was the tactic used by the three European fascist leaders in the mid-20th century.

Good points. Despots are wolves in sheeps' clothing. They'll pander to whomever will support them.

Historically, it's the Right that's more likely to cling to power and to contest close elections. Putting self and tribal interests above the general welfare is a right-wing trait.
Politics tends to select for power-hungry and authoritarian types.

I doubt it's socialism, per se, that's to blame for this anti-social chaos. I'd look to Authoritarianm &/or Social Dominant disorders as more likely.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Your

e cool

Strange response to being called out for self-admitted racism, but you do you.

 

[George-ananda]

They are all the same. No need to highlight one specific race because that feeds specific racial narratives.

Now my question is this: Why do many people often highlight farm killings of white people and not the Xenophobic attacks which happen for the similar reasons and on a larger scale?

It is simply because I was responding to the OP who I assumed to be white and asked 'why would you even want to stay in that country?'. I was legitimately interested in hearing the answer to that question.

Somehow you tried to turn that into 'why do you white Americans only identify with the struggles of the white South Africans'.

 

[Samael_Khan]

It is simply because I was responding to the OP who I assumed to be white and asked 'why would you even want to stay in that country?'. I was legitimately interested in hearing the answer to that question.

Somehow you tried to turn that into 'why do you white Americans only identify with the struggles of the white South Africans'.

I wouldn't imply such a thing as "white Americans only identify with white South Africans" as if white Americans all think the same.

My point is actually "why do many foreigners and some South Africans isolate the killing of white farmers from all the other brutal crimes in South Africa which are more prevalent?".

 

[George-ananda]

I wouldn't imply such a thing as "white Americans only identify with white South Africans" as if white Americans all think the same.

My point is actually "why do many foreigners and some South Africans isolate the killing of white farmers from all the other brutal crimes in South Africa which are more prevalent?".

To me I consider all of black Africa to be a effing mess. I genuinely wondered why whites viewed as non-natives who brought an oppressive history would want to deal with that mess and the people with those attitudes.

OP never responded to my question.

 

[Samael_Khan]

To me I consider all of black Africa to be a effing mess. I genuinely wondered why whites viewed as non-natives who brought an oppressive history would want to deal with that mess and the people with those attitudes.

OP never responded to my question.

Why do you say "black " Africa and not just Africa?

How prevalent do you think anti-white sentiment is?

As for white many whites choose to stay has many reasons I might have a few answers:

1. They love the country and the people. (I have met white Sangomas and people who genuinely want to help the people.)

2. They don't have the money to leave because they are too poor. (Yes there are many poor white people)

3. Segregation. We have places that are distinctly white, black, coloured, Indian etc. Some white people have also created their own towns such as in Oranje. So they are isolated from those who they don't like.

4. They have made friends with people from different races so they live among them better. They feel they are part of the community.

5. There are Afrikaaners who believe that South Africa was given to them by God. So it is their right to live there. (can't remember the name of the doctrine but I think it is linked to the Dutch Reformed Church and events such as the Great Trek)

6. You are conflating white farmers with white South Africans in general. Most white South Africans aren't farmers and many live in wealthy areas far away from the poorer areas and own businesses. We even have foreign white people who are established here. They don't have the same fear as the white farmers.

7. The cultures of different ethnicities of white people, same as with black people, differs and they face different challenges. For instance an Afrikaaner faces different challenges to an English person because the culture is different and that also depends on where they live. Non whites will also many times view them differently because Afrikaaners tend to be associated with Apartheid an other white people not necessarily so.

8. Many fought against Apartheid and so have demonstrated that they are willing to struggle to bring the country right.

But these are generalizations and I don't think that there can be just a few answers. Each person has their own reason for being here.