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Somethings just meed repeating

james dixon

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Premium Member
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..,.,./\,..,./\.,.,,.,/\.,.,.,.,,/\.,,

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Just asking

~~~Climate Change will not bring about our end~~ but this will; within your grandchild’s life time

The climate has been changing since day one & it will continue to change, with or without us!!!


Today’s real issue is ENERGY, without it my grandchildren are doomed

, so let’s get together and fix this while we still can


The end of the Fossil Fuel era is upon us so what are we going to do next-?
Energy information Administration Official Energy Statistics from the US government

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/forecasting.html

The above report indicates that the US will be using primarily oil as our main energy source through 2030.

The world's total declared reserves are 1,317,400,000,000 barrels (January 2007).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves

World oil consumption 2005 is 80,290,000 barrels per day or 29,305,850,000 per year

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2174rank.html

Dividing annual consumption into total reserves gives us 44.9 years of oil supply at the current consumption rate.

That was eleven (11)years ago, we are not changing our habits and this spells doom for us all.

Do you have any suggestions--?


Libya will be an interesting place to watch.

· Libya’s current production rate is 1.8 million barrels of oil a day

· At that rate Libya will exhaust all its reserves within 63 years

· Existing oil fields undergoing a 7–8% decline rate

They have highways and freeways and use cars and trucks just like the rest of us do.

But up until now gas was pretty much free.

If there is going to be a drive to manufacture electric and hybrid cars for local consumption

now is the time for Libya to use its cash reserves and invest in local production of the next generation power systems.

At least in the US we have the cash and will to build a new future for America

I hope people are trying to think this through?

Please jump in and say what is on your mind

& thanks in advance :)-

 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member

~~~Climate Change will not bring about our end~~

The climate has been changing since day one & it will continue to change, with or without us!!!

I'd wager that if you added up every minute you've ever spent in your entire life, James Dixon, reading up one climate change, it would come out in the end to less than a month's time of googling up mostly questionable sources on the internet.

Meanwhile, thousands of scientists who have spent years being trained and educated in the climate sciences, and who actually do real research, say you're almost certainly and objectively wrong.

Do you have any concept at all of what a "village idiot" is, James Dixon? Because I bet many of your sources of "information" for your views come from village idiots, not scientists. Moreover, I bet that most of the remaining sources of "information" for your views come from the 3% or so of climate scientists who are on the payroll of the Oil and Gas industries.

But by all means, continue thinking you're smarter and more knowledgeable than the 97% of trained and educated climate scientists who have reached a consensus that global climate change is happening at an unprecedented rate, that it is largely caused by human activity, and that it's consequences will be devastating.
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Meanwhile, thousands of scientists who have spent years being trained and educated in the climate sciences, and who actually do real research, say you're almost certainly and objectively wrong..

This is a classic case of not seeing the trees for the forest.

Do you have any concept at all of what a "village idiot" is, James Dixon?..[/QUOTE]

Hay, let up a bit. Calling me a "village idiot" does not induce a conversation. We can honestly have two discussions going on at the same time.
[#1] climate change
which I totally agree with
[#2] end of the finite quantity of fossil fuels at the current consumption rate;
i.e. 44 years

Sir, this is not a one or the other debate
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
North Sea is running too dry to meet target

Wednesday July 4, 2007

http://environment.guardian.co.uk/energy/story/0,,
2117952,00.html


The real casus belli: peak oil
Tuesday June 26, 2007
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2
111529,00.html

Science Panel Finds Fault With Estimates of Coal Supply
Published: June 21, 2007 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/21/business/21coal.
html


Chevron announces that they now have 11.8 years of oil left at current production levels after aquiring Unocal reserves
07/08/05
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/11/business/worldbu
siness/11unocal.html?pagewanted=2&adxnnl=1&
adxnnlx=1123732924-48wR07Ekayb0gi0r7b8l9Q


An Oil Enigma: Production Falls Even as Reserves Rise
Published: June 12, 2004
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/12/business/12RESE.
html?pagewanted=3&hp


"The decline of oil and gas will affect the world population more than climate change"
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/02/glo
bal.warming/
'>http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/02/glo
bal.warming/


In January 2001, the U.S.
Department of Energy estimated the world's supply of unexploited oil reserves the world supply of oil will be totally exhausted 35 years from now (June 2003).
http://members.aol.com/mpwright9/oil.html

World oil and gas 'running out'
Thursday, October 2, 2003 Posted: 1245 GMT ( 8:45 PM HKT)
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/02/glo
bal.warming/
'>http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/10/02/glo
bal.warming/


The Oil Crunch
Published: May 7, 2004
The question, instead, is when the trend in oil prices will turn decisively upward. That upward turn is inevitable as a growing world economy confronts a resource in limited supply. But when will it happen?
Maybe it already has.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/07/opinion/07KRUG.h
tml


Natural gas markets undergo turbulent transition as domestic production declines
Tuesday, December 16, 2003

http://www.statesman.com/business/content/auto/epa
per/editions/tuesday/business_f3edda2474a06071009b.
html


"Texas' oil resource is pretty well picked over," http://www.statesman.com/specialreports/content/sp
ecialreports/energy/0617oil.html
'>http://www.statesman.com/specialreports/content/sp
ecialreports/energy/0617oil.html


Oman's Oil Yield Long in Decline, Shell Data Show

Published: April 8, 2004
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/08/business/08OIL.h
tml?hp


Half of Texas’s oil wells have dried up in the past 40 years and there are very few new ones.
http://www.statesman.com/specialreports/content/sp
ecialreports/energy/0617oil.html
'>http://www.statesman.com/specialreports/content/sp
ecialreports/energy/0617oil.html


Tight Oil Supply Won't Ease Soon

Published: May 16, 2004

Two dollars for a gallon of gas? Get used to it. High fuel prices are here to stay, at least for the near future, because no relief is in sight for tight oil supplies.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/16/business/16OIL.h
tml?pagewanted=2&hp&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=10
84724567-pWSKI+RB9bShA5oXGRQi4w


The end of the Fossil Fuel era is upon us so what are we going to do next-?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
James Dixon said:
Hay, let up a bit. Calling me a "village idiot" does not induce a conversation.

I did not call you a village idiot. I called some of your sources village idiots. In the future, please try to read my posts with more understanding.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
se jump in and say what is on your mind
I think that you are underestimating the scope of the problem.

For all of human history, our individual consumption of resources was minimal. Even the richest emperor didn't use much fuel or anything else. That's changed in the last few centuries, especially the last one. The richest few, which includes blue collar Usonian people, consume more and more. Both individually and due to increasing numbers of them.
Well now the less affluent billions of people are starting to realize what they don't have, and want it. Nearly half of all the humans on the planet live in China and India and Indonesia. Half of all people struggles along on the equivalent of a couple of dollars a day.
Well, in the internet age, they are starting to realize how unfair things are. And I don't think that current estimates of consumption are realistic because more and more of those people are willing and able to fight for basic equity in the global distribution of the resources of the planet. Might might have made right for most of human history and first world people could keep the rest of the world down. But not so much anymore.

I think that the rise of terrorism is just the tip of the iceberg of the upcoming war between the haves and the have nots.

And I honestly don't think that humans, as a group are smart enough to head it off with basic human fairness and morality. The rich will continue to fight for their privilege and the poor will continue to get better fighting for fairness.

Tom
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
I did not call you a village idiot.
This strikes me as an unfortunate yet forced omission, while ...
I called some of your sources village idiots.
here you seem to malign a typically benign class of people, and ...
In the future, please try to read my posts with more understanding.
end your post with a wholly unreasonable expectation.

Sorry, but this was not your best effort.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
That was eleven (11)years ago, we are not changing our habits and this spells doom for us all.
So... hmm... maybe I am missing something. How exactly does having no electricity/fossil fuels spell "doom" for the human race? I'm pretty sure there was quite a span of time when we didn't have any of the things you're worrying over. No fossil fuel usage, nothing generating electricity at all, no need for it because there were no electrical implements whatsoever, etc.

Need advice on how to "survive" without your precious fossil fuels and electrical appliances? Ask the Amish, or hit up some indigenous tribes on various continents. Some of them do that very thing to this day.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I think that the rise of terrorism is just the tip of the iceberg of the upcoming war between the haves and the have nots.

And I honestly don't think that humans, as a group are smart enough to head it off with basic human fairness and morality. The rich will continue to fight for their privilege and the poor will continue to get better fighting for fairness.

I think this sums it up quite well. It's true that many impoverished billions of the world want the same things and the same standard of living that we have in the West - and this will require even more resources and usage of fossil fuels.
 

The Holy Bottom Burp

Active Member
I'd agree that fossil fuels are finite, and that the growing world population is putting a lot of strain on natural resources. I'd say it is why we need to look at reducing the world population, along with developing "alternative" sources of energy; solar, wind, wave, nuclear fusion and so on. We owe it to future generations not to sit on our hands about this, I do hope we wake up before it is too late.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
This strikes me as an unfortunate yet forced omission, while ...
here you seem to malign a typically benign class of people, and ...
end your post with a wholly unreasonable expectation.

Sorry, but this was not your best effort.

Your feedback is sincerely appreciated. Agreed, not my best effort.
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I did not call you a village idiot. I called some of your sources village idiots..

When my son was 14 years old I would expect such a reply but not from the King of the jungle.

In the future, please try to read my posts with more understanding.

If you have a problem with the sources, please be specific and if I find your point of view relevant I will change my views accordingly.

I’m listening :)-
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Back to the OP (which I find confusing):

Are you arguing that climate change is not man-made AND that we're running out of oil? And somehow you're connecting those two things?

I agree that we're running out of oil. We'll never totally run out, but it's gonna get really expensive, really soon.

So maybe your idea is that even if you're a climate change denier you should still work to support alternative energy sources? Sure, why not.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
A note to readers
Hold down your [SHIFT] key while you roll your mouse roller up and down.
..,.,./\,..,./\.,.,,.,/\.,.,.,.,,/\.,,

What do you see?

Just asking

~~~Climate Change will not bring about our end~~ but this will; within your grandchild’s life time

The climate has been changing since day one & it will continue to change, with or without us!!!


Today’s real issue is ENERGY, without it my grandchildren are doomed

, so let’s get together and fix this while we still can


The end of the Fossil Fuel era is upon us so what are we going to do next-?
Energy information Administration Official Energy Statistics from the US government

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/forecasting.html

The above report indicates that the US will be using primarily oil as our main energy source through 2030.

The world's total declared reserves are 1,317,400,000,000 barrels (January 2007).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves

World oil consumption 2005 is 80,290,000 barrels per day or 29,305,850,000 per year

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2174rank.html

Dividing annual consumption into total reserves gives us 44.9 years of oil supply at the current consumption rate.

That was eleven (11)years ago, we are not changing our habits and this spells doom for us all.

Do you have any suggestions--?


Libya will be an interesting place to watch.

· Libya’s current production rate is 1.8 million barrels of oil a day

· At that rate Libya will exhaust all its reserves within 63 years

· Existing oil fields undergoing a 7–8% decline rate

They have highways and freeways and use cars and trucks just like the rest of us do.

But up until now gas was pretty much free.

If there is going to be a drive to manufacture electric and hybrid cars for local consumption

now is the time for Libya to use its cash reserves and invest in local production of the next generation power systems.

At least in the US we have the cash and will to build a new future for America

I hope people are trying to think this through?

Please jump in and say what is on your mind

& thanks in advance :)-
I wouldn't worry.
As fossil fuel sources become more expensive & less productive, prices will rise, which
will encourage alternatives. As always the glorious free market will solve the problem.

And the rolly polly shift key thingie....nothing happens.
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Both individually and due to increasing numbers of them.

number of "them"-? Who be them & if you don't know you are an idiot :)-

Well now the less affluent billions of people are starting to realize what they don't have, and want it.

Personally, I am one of them.


Nearly half of all the humans on the planet live in China and India and Indonesia..

It has been in that ratio for thousands of years. What's your point :)-

Half of all people struggles along on the equivalent of a couple of dollars a day. ..

I have seen children in grass huts smiling & laughing and enjoying life to its fullest. And I have read about millionaires' taking their own life. You need to re-define the term "struggle". The child was not "struggling"

Well, in the internet age, they are starting to realize how unfair things are..[/QUOTE]

So the Spider said to the Fly

I think that the rise of terrorism is just the tip of the iceberg of the upcoming war between the haves and the have nots.

Think what you like. If it helps you sleep at night; go for it

And I honestly don't think that humans, as a group are smart enough to head it off with basic human fairness and morality

Since you are speaking in the third person, humans being one, you the second and the unbiased third party the third; do I care what you think-?

The rest is circle-jerk

Tom
 
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