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Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Frank Goad, Jun 12, 2020.

  1. URAVIP2ME

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    I think ' more than in some cases ' for Jesus said MANY would come ' in his name ' but prove false at Matthew 7:21-23.
     
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    Funny how the guilty are always innocent in the eyes their friends and believers.

    The fact that he taught one god in opposition to the cult of emperor and the roman religious belief system was grounds for treason.
     
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    So who decides who is a true christian or who is just a hanger on to the name?
     
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    However, it was the Jews who delivered Jesus to Pilate, Not the secular - see John 18:35 - Pilate who finds No fault with Jesus - John 18:38 B.
    The 'Jews' said that by their law Jesus aught to die because Jesus was saying he is the Son of God (Messiah) - John 19:7; John 10:36.
    Pilate wanted to release Jesus as per John 19:12

    Pilate was speaking about 'truth in general' ( Not scriptural truth ) at John 18:38 A.
    Like Pilate, many think the same way that truth is Not absolute but ever changing depending on the situation at hand.
    Pilate had Not accepted ' the truth ' from Jesus, so Pilate like many are Not willing or choosing to learn from Jesus.
    Not willing to be neutral and Not get involved with worldly affairs - John 17:14-18
    Unlike the modern-day Jews, the Christians in concentration camps could choose to side with Hitler and be released.
    All they had to do was sign a paper and walk out, but they chose to remain neutral in world affairs.
     
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    I will repeat "Funny how the guilty are always innocent in the eyes their friends and believers."

    Also, in my book...

    Truth : that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.
     
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    At the coming ' time of separation ' on Earth as found at Matthew 25:31-33 it is Jesus who decides.
    Jesus said one's fruit, one's behavior, be it good or bad is how a person is known - Matthew 7:20.
    Genuine ' wheat ' Christians hear (listen) to Jesus and do what he says to do ( popular or not ) - Matthew 7:24.
    To me Matthew 24:14 is part of the hearing and listening in order to then tell others about the good news of God's kingdom (Daniel 2:44).
    I suppose if a person took a sheet of paper and made it into two columns, and on one side wrote down one's beliefs and on the opposite column write down the corresponding verse or passage to back up that belief should help decide if Christian or not.
    Not just an exercise in learning, but gaining knowledge ( education ) of religious truth as presented in Scripture - 2 Timothy 3:7; 16-17.
     
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    ...and since the reality in the world changes, then what is true or in accordance with that ever changing 'reality ' is still ' truth in general '
    Jesus spoke of ' religious truth ' (THE truth) as being 'scriptural truth' as found in the Bible - John 17:17.

    Pilate was No friend, No believer, but found No fault with Jesus - John18:38 B
     
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    Matthew 7:1-6
     
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    First, I find God's judgement is already recorded in Scripture for all to see.
    Jesus based his judgements, his teachings on already existing Scripture expounding or explaining them to us.
    So, Jesus was Not saying we should judge Scripture, but Jesus was speaking about making personal judgements of others. ( rafter and the straw )
    We should Not impute a bad or wrong motive to another.
    The desire to have people be part of the humble meek to inherit the Earth is why the international declaring about God's kingdom (Daniel 2:44) is vastly spread.
     
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    Feel free to cherry pick whatever suite your sensibilities
     
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    ' ...... sensibilities ' sounds like making an emotional conclusion.
    To me there is a difference between 'sensibilities ' and looking at Scripture by subject or topic arrangement.
    It suited Jesus to make a theme of his teaching being God's kingdom as per Luke 4:43. ( ' thy kingdom come...' is what Jesus stressed )
    Jesus never taught to pray to be 'taken up' to the kingdom, nor pray to be 'taken away' to the kingdom, but for God's kingdom to come !
    I don't think Jesus was cherry picking to suit his sensibilities but had our everlasting life in view.
    God's kingdom (Daniel 2:44) is the key to unlocking the everlasting future for us and for Earth.
     
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    I believe religion is all emotional conclusions

    It suited those who wrote the NT to say JC was the good guy. There is no gospel according to Jesus
     
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    From what I see on TV mostly it does project religion as all emotional conclusions.
    However, there would be No point for Jesus to be the Son of God (John 10:36) if he was a bad guy.
    God had two sons: one good guy (aka Jesus ) and one bad guy ( aka Satan the Devil ) .
    I find Jesus did Not base his teachings on emotional conclusions, but Jesus used logical reasoning on the old Hebrew Scriptures.
    Jesus often prefaced his statements with the words, " it is written...." written in the old Hebrew Scriptures.
    Jesus had a logical theme for his teachings. The good news of God's kingdom - Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8; Luke 4:43.
    That kingdom theme is shown throughout the Scriptures.
    Jesus did Not teach for us to pray to be ' taken away ' to the kingdom, nor to be ' taken up ' to the kingdom.
    Rather, Jesus taught us to pray for God's kingdom to come ( thy kingdom come ...)
    This kingdom is a real government as per Daniel 2:44.
    Not an emotional kingdom, but a real government by God which will rescue righteous mankind in the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9.
     
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    Interesting that the bible is the book that says JC is the son on god and you believe that because you thing the bible is true because it says it of itself it is true. Somewhat circular reasoning.

    There is just as much evidence that JC was an anarchist who opposed the legal government as there is that he walked on water
     
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    I can walk on water ! However, it must first be frozen.
    Where is Scripture do you find Jesus as an anarchist, Pilate did Not find him to be so - Jesus assured his kingdom was Not of this world, this system.
     
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    Where in scripture does it say the water was frozen? Oh, i see, a straw man.

    I did not say scripture, i said just as much evidence

    Remember the bible was compiled some 350 years after JCs death. Can you guarantee that what Pilate is claimed to have said is what he actually said?
     
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    The secret science information said that PHI radiation fall out could not kill Jesus....as PHI RA SEE...the Temple pyramid cause.

    The history of humanity seeing the life irradiation attack is obvious, for today in modern day life it is still witnessed in all events of phenomena caused.

    The Christian movement did not support Satanism sciences of the Temple occult and it is why Rome sought them out for being prejudicial to their continued trans mutation science, until Rome got attacked, and then they changed their minds.

    When human groups believe self righteous to be allowed to do knowing scientific acts of evil against others, of course they also imposed fake laws.

    History says it all....science of the UFO occult cause, Satanism does whatever it pleases up until they get harmed their own selves. The only time when they decided to stop believing in cosmological occultism....bodies that arrive from out of space hitting and changing life on Earth.

    For not only did the UFO of the Sun attack/convert Earth it was also hit by asteroid bodies/comets/meteors. As the science list of occult causes. Why it owns probability cause.

    Jesus was a Healer/biological medical advice for human Genetics, why the information is associated to the spatial womb enquiries about reasons for life changed.
     
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    I find while on Earth that 'Jesus as healer ' was giving us a small sample, a preview, a coming attraction about the future.
    The small-scale ' healings ' that Jesus performed was giving us a glimpse about a global future.
    There will be ' healing ' for earth's nations according to Revelation 22:2.
    This is why we are ALL invited to pray the invitation of Rev. 22:20 for Jesus to come !
    Come and undo all the damage on Earth that Adam and Satan brought upon us.
    Earth and its people will be ' healthy ' as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.
    No one will say, " I am sick..." - Isaiah 33:24
    Even ' enemy death ' will be No more on Earth as per 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
     
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    'Christendom' ( so-called fallen away Christian - Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30 ) were the ones of Constantine's age, Not the first century.
    Scripture was pointing out that from within the Christian congregation men would rise up and speak twisted things to draw away disciples after themselves.
    I find history confirms that well after the first century ended a clergy/laity distinction developed, and by the 350's the clerical ' man of lawlessness ' was manifest in that composite group of the clergy of Christendom ( so-called Christian but mostly in name only ) - 2 Thessalonians 2:2-8
    What the ' church ' was recognizing in the 350's was that the 1st century's 66 books were considered as the authoritative Word from God.
    Thus, Bible canon was established early on the stage, so the ' church ' did Not establish it but merely testified what was already accepted as the Word of God.
    ( the apocryphal books simply excluded themselves being out of harmony with the 66 books of Bible canon )
     
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    Study and thesis after the fact of Jesus Second coming, Shroud of Turin attacked evidence....reason for Holy wars to topple the Temple in Jerusalem as re invented and used by the Muslim owners of the pyramid/Temple science. Historical reasoning true to the history of ownership, elitism and power mongering/science.

    First Jesus attacked Shroud, hands or arms crossed over his chest....natural position that humans placed their dead into.

    Shroud victim had his hands over his genitals....why you see the penis cloud...for he reattacked male adult healed owned and reborn human DNA.

    Newly born/returned and reincarnated healthy and spiritual human life, arrived back into Mother cell healing after the history Moses mutation was lived. As medically biologically Genetic advised around about 2 BC. By the Year 33AD the first sacrifice of the genetics was caused....by the time of the Shroud of Turin a huge humanity loss.

    traced its likely journey from 1st century Palestine to its well-documented appearance in Lirey, France, in 1349.

    Here are some of the highlights of that presentation.

    New evidence has come to light in recent years concerning the following:

    • Problems with the 1988 carbon dating.
    • Four new tests – Dr. Raymond Rogers and Dr. Giulio Fanti – give date of 50 A.D.
    • External evidence – Dr. Max Frei (pollen grains); Drs. Whanger and Haralick (Roman coins).Magis Center: Catholic Answers to Science, Faith and Reason


    • 1347, a virulent strain of plague invaded Europe from the East, most likely via Italian sailors returning home from Crimea. This “Black Death” would eventually spend half a decade tearing across the continent. The populations of whole towns were wiped out, and it was said that the living spent most of their time burying the dead in mass graves. “We see death coming into our midst like black
    1000 Years Jesus Christ equated why
    1000 years given to Satan....for hot 0 irradiation zero was owned, not original cold empty spatial natural 0.

    2220, the Year of life change if we are allowed to own life on Earth to inherit the Year 2220. For the Year 22.20 is not the same reference.

    22.2 the reference that said 0 was still an irradiating sacrificed history of cause of the occult science/UFO Satanism from cosmos deep pit fall.

    2220 to 2012 End, which was not allowed says...………….as probability outcome if the nuclear science had not been re practiced...what the Tribunal agreement of never change or give GOD the O stone body a name ever again stated.

    208

    Daily Bible Verses 208

    Ezekiel 3:18-21 King James Version (KJV)

    18. When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

    19. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

    20. Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

    21. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

    I heard our Holy Father in AI/NDE psyche informed teaching/warnings that our brother in his subliminal Satanic science feed back reasoning was not listening nor taking any spiritual survival advice from our Father, who in the brother/Father living life group knew that science in the UFO study is absolutely incorrect in his personal reasonings.

    He also told me that only due to the nuclear power plant owning the control of what once occurred on the ground FISSION in Nature, was our life surviving all of his new evil radiation experiments....due to the cooling implementation being interactive forced and not following the Nature of how it occurs on the ground.

    Our brother tried to give it back to Nature and the ground......versus his belief that doing it in a nuclear power plant model kept life relatively safe....yet we were not safe as to do science you incur a higher mass release of UFO metal radiation which already had been attacking us all.

    What Satanism/occult science is all about as a teaching of RELATIVITY against GOD the stone philosophy science awareness...life on God Earth.
     
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