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Some statistics about abortion

Discussion in 'Sexuality' started by Estro Felino, Jun 25, 2022.

  1. Estro Felino

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    I would like to discuss in this thread the link between abortion, birth rates and sex in the countries of the West.

    I can witness that in my country abortion was discussed from the sixties to the seventies, specifically the so called radicals represented by Emma Bonino in this video, restlessly fought to obtain the legalization of abortion. Which was automatic after the legalization of contraception a decade before.
    But, since contraception has been legalized and promoted by the State, the law of abortion clearly dictates that abortion is not a contraceptive method. It is a woman's right that is supposed to be exercised when there is no other alternative. That is, a woman can get an abortion, but is strictly recommended not to have unprotected sex any more. In the 21st century, contraception has become so widespread in Europe, that I believe it is almost impossible to have an unwanted pregnancy.

     
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    #2 Estro Felino, Jun 25, 2022
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  3. Estro Felino

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    I have also remarked that in Europe women are more disinhibited when it comes to talking about sex, contraceptive methods and so on.
    Americans are much more private about their own sex life in general.
     
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    Except that in practice:
    • not all intercourse is consented,
    • not all decisions to not use contraception during intercourse is consented,
    • even established sexual relationships are complex and full of conflicting degrees of consent,
    • Pro-lifer’s often are against contraception in general too,
    • Etc, etc, etc…
     
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  5. Estro Felino

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    That is true. But if abortions were limited to the cases you have listed, the abortion rate would be much lower in first world countries.
     
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    Perhaps, but the point is that these are deeply personal issues that governments should have nothing to do with.

    Imagine being a woman and having to appeal to the state for the rights to your womb and having to declare to them why you need the rights to your womb as well - it’s madness!
     
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  7. Estro Felino

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    It depends. In countries with free universal healthcare, your sex life is Government's business . Given it is the State that pays for abortions.
     
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    Granted. Though that’s possibly an entirely different debate, as not all countries (e.g. the Nation where women just lost the absolute right to their own wombs) have universal healthcare.


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    It is a right, women have the right not to become mothers. They have the right not to deliver.
    Especially if the unwanted pregnancy is due to psychological abuse, rape, or similar. Or other causes.
    Nevertheless, I just think that women should be cautious, that's all, to reduce the risk of unwanted pregnancies.

    Let's say that a woman has just had an abortion...and after that she has unprotected sex...a lot of unprotected sex. Is that wise? Or morally understandable?
     
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    And just like that, you have managed to illustrate why what has just occurred in the U.S. is not about pro-life, but about the judgement and control of women.

    I will not partake in it. I have no authority over the actions of another.


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    The government also pays for schools, roads, trains, buses etc
    So should we all be consulting with the government before we have sex, lest we bring in another potential citizen that will need such? Since such services are primarily the responsibility of the government and they pay for them?
     
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    "women should"? The wording is interesting if not telling.
     
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    Men too
     
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    The State is surely interested in reducing the abortion rate, if we think of how much money is spent on prevention (sex education in schools and free counselling in medical centers, that also distribute contraceptives for free).
    Abortion is not such a pleasant thing for a woman, so I guess the State is just preoccupied with women's psychological welfare.:)
     
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    Well by reducing abortions, they get more potential tax payers in the long run.
    So I mean you can ascribe a greedy aspect to it’s motivations lol

    But yes, it’s good that the state cares or at least is preoccupied with maintaining and helping women’s mental and physical health, imo
     
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    Yes, they do admit here that the low birth rates is one of the motivations. And they do admit that they are preoccupied with the lack of future tax-payers.
     
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    I suspect not all women have the culture of equality we have in the US.
     
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    Another reason not to want government health care.
     
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    My aunt is a nurse. She has heard things which I prefer not to tell...
     
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