Before I get into it, why?If it happened there should be evidence for it. This is a case of a lack of evidence being evidence against an idea.
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Before I get into it, why?If it happened there should be evidence for it. This is a case of a lack of evidence being evidence against an idea.
People keep ignoring me like I know nothing.
In the Pearl of great price it says God took the Ark into his own hands.
I am not taking the position that you all should believe in Noah's Ark. That requires unknown science.Because what you are saying, are based on myth and fantasy, not on natural reality.
If there were local flood in Mesopotamia, large enough to lift and float the Ark, then these water will empty out into the sea, or in this case, the Persian Gulf, because that would be thecurrent.
As Sumer is the lowland, and the Anatolian Turkey is the highland, especially in the direction towards the Ararat, then what you are saying that the ark will be going against the natural currents.
I am not an expert in natural hydrology, but even I can see there are no logic in what you’re claiming about the flood being localized, when it defied reality.
But you claiming (repeatedly) that “God took the Ark into his own hands”, it really doesn’t help your argument.
All this show me that you want us to accept woo and hearsay from a 19th century prophet.
Before I get into it, why?
Mesopotamia floods all the time doesn't it?Because events of the past in the real world leave evidence that can be examined in the present.
Especially when it concerns events of such scale.
Large floods leave evidence. If such evidence doesn't exist, it means the claimed floods didn't happen.
Making it a common event and thus unreasonable to single a certain one out as being something "special" or "miracle".Mesopotamia floods all the time doesn't it?
It works for me.Making it a common event and thus unreasonable to single a certain one out as being something "special" or "miracle".
Also, that would not be compatible with the actual bible story.
Mesopotamia floods all the time doesn't it?
Third, a large part of Mesopotamia prehistory (from 6500 BCE to 3100 BCE) and history, showed evidence that people who lived in this region - the Mesopotamia - are based on agricultural farming, which in turn, developed urbanisation of towns and cities along these 2 rivers.
Because the water flowed downstream, there are nearly "annual" floodings in this region, which the people, including the Sumerians of 3rd millennium BCE, developed increasing advance method of farming.
For instance, the glaciers from the Armenian mountain range would melt during the Spring season, often causing flooding downstream.
But the water currents also caused erosion of banks of rivers, from the Armenian highlands, and the water will carry fertile loam downstream that become soil for farming crops in Euphrates and Tigris.
Plus the Neolithic people have learned to take advantages of annual flood, by diverting the water, in the basic form of irrigation. The Sumerians of the later period, also make use of the flood, by irrigating water to the fields to grow crops.
But sometimes, flooding become more severe, which would ruin crops and even leave devastation in towns and cities.
So then a lot of it could have flooded once.River floods, and often near the rivers, and not the entire Mesopotamia.
And I have already posted up reply on, how the pre-Sumerian Neolithic people living in Mesopotamia and Bronze Age Sumerians knew how to take advantages of annual river floods, to farm the fields/lands and to irrigate those fields...the post that you complained was too long to read.
Here is one of the portions, you didn’t bother to read:
If you bother to read it, you would have learned some things.
Water from the Armenian highlands, caused erosions and brought with it, essential fertile loams to normally arid Mesopotamia, loams that served as soil for farming purposes.
The ancient Egyptians did the same things on the Nile.
Erosions from the Blue Nile (starting at Ethiopia) and the White Nile (that flows through Tanzania, Congo, Uganda and South Sudan), before they merged as River Nile in Sudan, and the flooding bring rich soils to Egypt, hence enabling crop farming as well as water they used to irrigate their fields.
Flooding in the rivers of Egypt and Mesopotamia were vital for agriculture and survival of the prehistoric and ancient people.
OK since we had a hard time looking at science and religion together with Noah's ark I have tried to study the Torah about it for a while and although I have trouble focusing when I read due to mental illness I have some thoughts:
Morally, man is superior to all the animals, that God would squeeze the population down to 1 to make it better, that we can be renewed, and that it's just a cool story to tell children make it good to me. I read that Noah entered the ark at midday so that would make people back off because he was morally upright. I like to think that Noah could be so righteous that God would start the entire human race through him. And yet, he had problems afterwards and sometimes after an adventure we all do that. Just like Noah's Ark was an extremely difficult thing for humanity and God to do, it is extremely difficult for humanity to understand how Noah's Ark could have happened. God's promise that things would be regulated for humanity afterwards so they could always survive makes me feel good about it.
I can't really think of much bad about the story.
Scientifically, I have some ideas.
They could have used bird feeders. They could have dumped poop. They could have taken the animals for walks. A Korean study said the ark could float although I believe God took it into his hand (I'm not supposed to share that but that's from the Pearl of Great Price in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). I think from the Hebrew that the ark didn't rise up right away so it wouldn't be dashed into a mountain.
Only animals with nostrils came into the ark. I wonder if he collected DNA samples. Separating animals after the flood could be like parting the red sea. Gathering animals could be like the ten plagues.
I think it says they used steel or something and maybe it was just a little earlier than history says.
I think it could have just been the fertile crescent and other cultures heard about it and made their flood myths. I don't see how we'd know geographically that a flood hit the fertile crescent for 40 days.
The water could have been set up in the creation and so we don't know how so much water came.
Anyway, them's my thoughts until I can remember more.
OK.Mark Twain readily demonstrated that an anaconda is more moral than a Frenchman
Yes. Mesopotamia has a long history of floods extending back many thousands of years. According to Principles of Physical Geology (1965) by Arthur Holmes, page 512, ''The melting of snowfields in the mountains to the north has been an almost annual menace to Baghdad. At the time of the great flood of 1954 a channel was already being dug from the Tigris to a large depression ... between that river and the Euphrates. In 1957 Baghdad would have suffered an even greater disaster had not the rising waters been drawn aside before the danger level was reached."Mesopotamia floods all the time doesn't it?