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Some Insight Into What Cops In My Area Are Like

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Are there bad cops..Yes
Do they out number the good cops...No
Should we judge them all based on a few....No

In some areas, eg, LA Sheriffs, Genesee County MI Sheriffs,
good cops are in the minority. In other areas, good cops
enable the bad ones by not stopping wrongful actions.

Your video only mocks people who've been wronged by cops.
Daniel Shaver did exactly as told by the cop who executed him.
Shooting of Daniel Shaver - Wikipedia

Civil rights aren't just for people who behave appropriately.
Even rude, confused, & uncooperative people have civil
rights. Their shortcomings are not license to escalate
trouble, & abandon the constitution & other legal protections.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Did you watch the video?
Yes.
I commented on it.
Did you watch any of those I posted.
Many times the perp doesn't do what they should.
This is true.
And it will escalate things.
But when someone isn't a perp, & does what they should,
cops very often abuse them, & aren't held accountable.
But even perps shouldn't face unreasonable escalation
that violates local, state, & federal laws.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
In some areas, eg, LA Sheriffs, Genesee County MI Sheriffs,
good cops are in the minority. In other areas, good cops
enable the bad ones by not stopping wrongful actions.

Your video only mocks people who've been wronged by cops.
Daniel Shaver did exactly as told by the cop who executed him.
Shooting of Daniel Shaver - Wikipedia

Civil rights aren't just for people who behave appropriately.
Even rude, confused, & uncooperative people have civil
rights. Their shortcomings are not license to escalate
trouble, & abandon the constitution & other legal protections.

Some cops are bad and some have bad training, some shouldn't be cops.
If you were a cop going to a scene of a person with a gun or an active shooter would you not be on edge and more apt to pull the trigger in a blink of an eye to save your own life(it doesn't make it right but it happens).

They aren't dealing with friends but strangers 99% of the time who could shoot them in a blink of an eye.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Some cops are bad and some have bad training, some shouldn't be cops.
If you were a cop going to a scene of a person with a gun or an active shooter would you not be on edge and more apt to pull the trigger in a blink of an eye to save your own life(it doesn't make it right but it happens).
The issue isn't about justifiable shootings or reasonable
mistakes. We have a problem with unreasonable acts.
Bad hiring procedures, bad training, bad supervision,
poor accountability, & bad people all contribute to the
plethora of bad interactions with cops.

Some never should be cops. All others should meet
much more stringent standards for competence, ethics,
maturity, & education. And once hired, they need
better supervision, better resources (eg, ability to
get legal advice in real time, assistance from social
workers), more accountability, & higher pay.
Accountability should be to a fully independent
authority because self policing isn't policing...it's
rubber stamping & the blue wall.

Cops should be fewer, better, & highly regulated.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
The issue isn't about justifiable shootings or reasonable
mistakes. We have a problem with unreasonable acts.
Bad hiring procedures, bad training, bad supervision,
poor accountability, & bad people all contribute to the
plethora of bad interactions with cops.

Some never should be cops. All others should meet
much more stringent standards for competence, ethics,
maturity, & education. And once hired, they need
better supervision, better resources (eg, ability to
get legal advice in real time), more accountability,
& higher pay. Accountability should be to a fully
independent authority because self policing isn't
policing...it's rubber stamping & the blue wall.

Cops should be fewer, better, & highly regulated.

The first half of your post I already stated, the second half I mostly agree with.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Are there bad cops..Yes
Do they out number the good cops...No
Should we judge them all based on a few....No
This old saw?
The problem is systemic, the whole organism is infected. Are good cops who tolerate or support misbehavior by their colleagues really good cops?
Why do we expect police units trained and equipped as a paramilitaries; who see the public as "the enemy," to be anything but sanctioned street gangs? Their solidarity in the face of this "us vs them" mentality, and resentment of same by much of the general public, is a sure recipe for such heavy-handed policing.
The guy's been lucky: compliant, right race, right accent, right haircut, right attitude.
Many are not so lucky. Some are less compliant or trusting, based on experience. Some live in the wrong place; in battle zones, or in areas with angry, resentful police or with police criminal gangs.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Some cops are bad and some have bad training, some shouldn't be cops.
If you were a cop going to a scene of a person with a gun or an active shooter would you not be on edge and more apt to pull the trigger in a blink of an eye to save your own life(it doesn't make it right but it happens).

They aren't dealing with friends but strangers 99% of the time who could shoot them in a blink of an eye.
Good point. It's an arms race out there -- and one side's got all the financial and political backing, and are trained to see the public as the enemy.

Americans are raised to tolerate violence; to see it as a legitimate, problem-solving modality. They laud the police and military, including the DirtyHarry/Rambo types.
But many status communities are also insular and tribal, with distrust, resentment of authority, an aggressive attitude toward rivals -- and guns.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I ran across an interesting item in the news.
In it, news casters refer to auditors as "frauditors"
who launch a "verbal attack". Seems a pretty
hostile attitude to people who behave in a legal
manner that tests cops' responses for illegality,
which they often find.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Caught by drone video, a cop shoots an obviously friendly dog.
Weaponized safety, once again.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Detroit cops are unaware that police stations are
public property....they think it's private property.

Tip....
When cops ask an auditor where their car is, this
is to make an opportunity to harass the auditor.
They watch the car, & then cite the driver for some
violation. Traffic & vehicle laws are so complex &
subjective that a violation can always be found.
In other videos, this has happened.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Notice how every cop involved is brutal.
What they're doing is obviously wrong, but not
one of them attempts to de-escalate the assault
on the driver.
It shows why we all need dash cams, & why we
must assume that all cops are violent, angry, &
will lie on their reports to put us in prison.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
"We corrected it with discipline."
Can you discipline someone out of a neurological condition; out of a Social Dominant or Right Wing Authoritarian disorder? Perhaps we could discipline someone out of schizophrenia or Bipolar disorder, as well. :rolleyes:
Right-wing authoritarianism
Social dominance orientation - Wikipedia +

Until we include fMRIs in the Police screening process, the profession will continue to attract mental defectives.

Should the police in the video be blamed? They've got an organic social disorder. Should they have had access to a profession where a pathology they were likely born with could wreak so much harm to others?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
"We corrected it with discipline."
Can you discipline someone out of a neurological condition; out of a Social Dominant or Right Wing Authoritarian disorder? Perhaps we could discipline someone out of schizophrenia or Bipolar disorder, as well. :rolleyes:
Right-wing authoritarianism
Social dominance orientation - Wikipedia +

Until we include fMRIs in the Police screening process, the profession will continue to attract mental defectives.

Should the police in the video be blamed? They've got an organic social disorder. Should they have had access to a profession where a pathology they were likely born with could wreak so much harm to others?
Let's get rid of authoritarians, including left leaning ones too.
But we also need a system wherein cops are monitored &
held accountable with strong sanctions for misbehavior.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
DPD moved to fire cop hit with 85 complaints, accusations of racist language. Why was he promoted?

Promotion instead of prosecution appears to be the norm in Detroit.

One thing to note is that diversity on the force
does not cure the problem at all. The system
tolerates & even defends criminal activity by
all cops, black, white, & other. Black police
chief...black mayor....it makes no difference.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In my state, cops are unaware that there's no law
requiring people to identify themselves when they're
just minding their own business, & committing no
crime.
This cop arrests a man innocent of any crime,
& then breaks the man's leg. And of course,
he lies in his report of the incident. (Lying must
be part of a cadet's training, eh.)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In Detroit & environs, some of the drug dealers
are cops. They're particularly hard to catch.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Good ole Detroit. If they arrest someone for
the wrong offense, they'll just invent a new one.
 
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