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Featured Solution to homosexuals is by government executions according to Pastor.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Twilight Hue, Aug 18, 2022.

  1. It Aint Necessarily So

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    There is nothing wrong with pride in the secular sense of the word, and we often encourage it:
    • "pride - a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired. "the team was bursting with pride after recording a sensational victory" Similar: pleasure, joy, delight, gratification, fulfillment, satisfaction, sense of achievement, contentment, self-esteem, self-respect. Opposite: shame"
    I think you've been influenced by the Christian use of the word, which, of course, is chosen to promote Christianity, where pride generally means rebellion against god, the way it describes the failure to submit to its dicta. It is always a sin. Those who have walked away from Christianity are said to be too proud to obey, and instead, substitute themselves for God, the ultimate arrogance in the opinion of the religion for obvious reasons.

    But for those outside of this religion, all of that is meaningless. There is no such thing as pride that depends on the existence of a god to be called that, just as there is no such thing as sin or blasphemy. Dismiss the deity and the toxic teaching of Christianity there, and what you have left is the humanist understanding of the word given above, which is affirming and constructive. That's because humanism is pro-people. Christianity is pro-Christianity. Humanism seeks to enable them. Christianity seeks to capture them. Blessed are the meek is another statement of its desire to break the spirit that leads to self-confidence and pride in one's life and accomplishments.

    Humanism is an exemplary worldview. There is no hatred there.

    It is to me. If that's not the real Christianity, where is the real Christianity? Waiting in Canada for the phony Christianity to leave? Why isn't the real Christianity stepping up to rebuke that other Christianity and set us straight on what real Christianity is? Christianity is not what it claims for itself, but what we see that it is. Christianity is not what's in its book, which gives lip service to the Golden Rule, but in the way it is rendered, which is its opposite.

    And there still are atrocities committed today using the name and device of a deity. We were just discussing America's version of this. Its values are as hateful as one can imagine, yet it's still telling us what its god wants for us. Lately, it's women being incubators. Call that love of fetuses, but make sure to call them babies, even if you have no love for those, either, if not born into your own family. Also, why and how you should hate homosexuals. Make sure to call it love, too.
     
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  2. Kharisym

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    "Baby, I hit you because I love you."
     
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  3. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    This, of course, as spewed by so many religious types who know little of evolution, is quite false. Homosexuality is known to occur naturally, but at increased frequency, among younger brothers of older brothers. Having a gay brother who'd rather stay home than go out hunting can have a tremendous advantage in protecting the children of an older brother -- who shares the same genes -- and that is ALL the evolution requires. That the children of an older brother survive because a younger gay brother was there to protect them keeps that genetic line going.
     
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  4. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    This is all hooey, and your guess-work, when put against actual research by competent people, is worth very little.
     
  5. Evangelicalhumanist

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    Well, all too often the ones most scared are the ones who've felt the urge. None of the very straight men I've known in my long life has ever had a problem with gay people, because gays are no threat to them. But if you're just dying to give in to a little temptation...well, for somebody who thinks they're going to punished eternally for it, that can be pretty scary.
     
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  6. Debater Slayer

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    Pride is an antisocial behavior? Then why does Yahweh exalt himself and feel so much wrath in the Bible when people don't worship him?
     
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  7. lewisnotmiller

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    You haven't met many gay people, have you?
     
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  8. lewisnotmiller

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    You haven't met many lesbians, have you?
     
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  9. lewisnotmiller

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    That's a good thread topic. Start it, and I shall come.
     
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    No 'probably' about it.
     
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  11. Ashoka

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    They don't. Clothes and talking don't have genders. They talk and dress like themselves, and that's okay.
     
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    LGBTQ is pride in their group. It is no different from being supportive of any other group you happen to be in.

    If you are proud to be *fill in religious belief*, or proud to be part of *fill in country or political group*, or proud of your *fill in family, sports team, school...*....

    Condemn anyone who is "proud to be an American" ... the lyrics, "I'm proud to be - ... so this is a sinful song??



    Everyone has the same rights, to take pride in *any group they feel supported and safe in*. Support groups are especially important for those who have been bullied, marginalized, excluded, lied about. The LGBTQ pride groups are saving lives, standing for freedom and equality, are on the battlefront. Their flags are a symbol fighting against bigotry and prejudices. Their message need to be yelled through megaphones.
     
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    Yes, that’s different from the personal pride that Christianity warns against, which is much more to do with ego.
     
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  14. Evangelicalhumanist

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    Vidoes (sic)?

    There, I know how to spell Machiavellian, too. Typos happen. :p
     
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    What do you mean by 'rising'?
    Do you mean expansionist? Because...sure...but that's kind of a truism. Rare indeed are the neighbours who will happily surrender their land/women/culture/sacred relics to interlopers.
     
  16. Evangelicalhumanist

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    I've been around a long time, and I have to tell you, that is the very first time I'm seen anything like you've just stated.

    Please, do us all a favour and share your obviously authoritative sources!!
     
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  17. Evangelicalhumanist

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    And you find this helpful in this discussion how, exactly?
     
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    What's embarrassing is the pathetic attempts Christians still make at playing No True Scotsman. They are Christian, they are your ilk, amd they are taking directly from what the Bible says.
    As for what's to be followed? Ask 100 Christians and get 100 answers.
     
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  19. Evangelicalhumanist

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    You might try actually reading the articles you link. Unless it's too much trouble, of course, in which case you can just assume they say what you want them to. (Hint: they don't.)
     
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  20. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    A lot of people (usually guided by their religious faith and as little as possible by actual knowledge) cannot distinguish between "unnatural" and "uncommon."

    Pandas are black and white, right? WRONG -- if one is uncommonly (but not unnaturally) albino.

    But how do you teach people to think who are so unused to the activity?
     
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