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Sodom, Gomorrah and Pompeii

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by robtex, Nov 7, 2005.

  1. robtex

    robtex Veteran Member

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    Pompeii was buried in the ashes of mount Vesuvius in 79 a.d. Reseachers have found the city and so much information about it. We know its exact location, what much of its culture is like and how it was buried. 79 AD it is important to note is the time the new testiment was being written.

    In Genesis 19:24 (niv version) it says,

    "Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the LORD out of the heavens."
    (source biblegateway.com)

    And so the Bible says Sodom and Gomorrah were buried in ash in much the same way pompeii was. Irregardless if God magically made sulfur in the sky or made a volocano blow its top the end of the two cities is the same in this story as pompeii.

    However, Pompeii was discovered and proven to exist. Sodom and Gomorrah are speculated and not proven to exist.

    The question: Did the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah ever exist?

    footnotes:

    pompeii:
    http://www.harcourtschool.com/activity/pompeii/

    http://harpy.uccs.edu/roman/html/pompeiislides.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompeii


    http://www2.pompeiisites.org/database/pompei/pompei2.nsf?OpenDatabase

    Sodom, Gomorrah


    http://anchorstone.com/sodom.html

    http://www.halexandria.org/dward194.htm

    http://www.biblemysteries.com/lectures/sodom.htm


    http://www.biblediscoveries.com/gomorrah.html
     
  2. gtrsgrls

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    Just because they haven't been proven to exist that doesn't mean that they don't exist does it?
     
  3. robtex

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    What is your theory on why they cannot find it? Certainly not a lack of effort.
     
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    I think they were real and I think they will be found some day. They just aren't looking in the right place. ;)
     
  6. robtex

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    You could add that to the footnotes of my first post and see it only strengthen's the notion that the cities didn't exist. The website you posted is a database for searches for the mythological cities. What is shows like the other links is that extensive detailed searches have been conducted and no cities have been found.

    We know from Pompeii that it is reasonbable to expect the city to be discoverable if it ever exist. What your link and mine show is that the effort to locate these mythological cities have been extensive and the result is no such cities have been found. Given this I would say the only reasonable conclusion is that they never existed.
     
  7. robtex

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    where is the right place?
     
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    North America? It was after the flood, though, so probably not. I don't know where exactly the right place is, but they certainly haven't checked every square foot of the middle east...
     
  9. robtex

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    Do you see the same complication as I do? You are assuming these mythological cities exist without finding them. Should they be found first and than assessed to exist? At this point I would classify sodom and gomorrah as meritless speculation untili evidence of the cities, aka the cities themselves, are found.
     
  10. Deut 13:1

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    Remind me why the same doesn't hold true for evolutino? ;)
     
  11. Deut 13:1

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    Do you see the same complication as I do? You are assuming evolution exists without finding the missing link. Should the missing links be found first and than assessed to exist? At this point I would classify evolution as meritless speculation untili evidence of the missing links, aka the bones themselves, are found.

    Glad we agree,
    Binyamin
     
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    How many missing links do you want? What do you think Homo erectus is, for instance?
     
  13. Deut 13:1

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    Never heard of it, I'm not a science guy, my response was more sarcasm then anything else.

    Got a link to a SHORT page explaining homo erectus? I'm not going to read a 50 page thing, I already agreed to read one of Jayhawkers long and boring links (about 1/3rd done).
     
  14. robtex

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    different thread. In this thread I am saying to you that sodom and gomorrah are meritless speculation until those cities are found. A componet of mythology.
     
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    Okay, so your logic isn't consistent? Cool, as long as we both understand this.
     
  16. Jayhawker Soule

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    Speaking of a position being meritless, consider learning something before ignorantly passing judgement on the current state of learning.
     
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    If you're looking for a simple page on Homo erectus, try the Smithsonian page here:

    http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/erec.html

    Of course, this is off topic in a thread about Sodom and Gomorrah, so I don't think we should discuss this any further in this thread.
     
  18. Deut 13:1

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    I know this is going to be hard for you, but please continue reading...

    But thanks for another one of your demeaning and frankly idiotic posts. (Again)
     
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    There are lots of people born no entirely together, or missing an arm ect... Could this be considered something like that? Again, I'm not a expert on this, so bear with questions that may be dumb to you.
     
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    http://www.classics.cam.ac.uk/Everyone/pompeii/pompeii.html
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    I think Aqualung has a point. a) who knows where to look ? b) how far below the present day surface could the ruins be ?; if sodom and gomorrah had been built on a fault line, and there had been a cataclysmic earthquake, would there be any trace ?[/size][/font]
     
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