Socially Right, Economically Left

[Rival]

I've noticed a lot of religious folks hold this political position but it doesn't seem to be a votable one. There's no party I can think of in the UK or US, which which I'm most familiar, that represents this and is also worth voting for.

So this is the position:

Support for strong social welfare, benefits, NHS, free education, free school meals etc. As well as strongly traditional values such as loving the nuclear family, pro-life, pro gender roles, anti gay-marriage (even if just as performed by religious institutions) etc.

What is this called and why is it not represented?

 

[Revoltingest]

"Bizarro World Libertarian"?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I've noticed a lot of religious folks hold this political position but it doesn't seem to be a votable one. There's no party I can think of in the UK or US, which which I'm most familiar, that represents this and is also worth voting for.

So this is the position:

Support for strong social welfare, benefits, NHS, free education, free school meals etc. As well as strongly traditional values such as loving the nuclear family, pro-life, pro gender roles, anti gay-marriage (even if just as performed by religious institutions) etc.

What is this called and why is it not represented?

It would be nice to see a proper balance for a change. Unfortunately the hatred for capitalism and even socialism will prevent people from meeting in the middle anytime soon.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"Bizarro World Libertarian"?

This is the opposite direction. Which is what the bizarro thing about RF is that it has three of us from very different positions on these things like a political compass, come from the furthest reaches of our corners, but we all get along just fine while those closer to center more often come bearing a club in hand.

 

[sun rise]

It would be nice to see a proper balance for a change. Unfortunately the hatred for capitalism and even socialism will prevent people from meeting in the middle anytime soon.

Welcome to 2021.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

It sounds like right libertarian to me. There is representation there but the religious aspect doesn't come up because the libertarian part negates the political relevance of those religious views.

To Americans who don't often think about the quadrant style system, I think left or right has nothing to do with what you believe but how you vote.
If you would vote for gay marriage in general society but not force it on churches you're still a 'social leftist' as far as we are concerned.

 

[Yerda]

It's a little ironic that the things you've listed, "Support for strong social welfare, benefits, NHS, free education, free school meals etc" are considered radical lunacy by about three quarters of the media. So the reason that there isn't an economically left, socially right option is that the economically left part is unthinkable.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Winner-take-all elections may have something to do with it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What is this called and why is it not represented?

Wasn't that essentially what the Christian democracy movement in Europe was about?

 

[Rival]

Wasn't that essentially what the Christian democracy movement in Europe was about?

Broadly, I think, yes. Never reached here tho.

 

[Left Coast]

I've noticed a lot of religious folks hold this political position but it doesn't seem to be a votable one. There's no party I can think of in the UK or US, which which I'm most familiar, that represents this and is also worth voting for.

So this is the position:

Support for strong social welfare, benefits, NHS, free education, free school meals etc. As well as strongly traditional values such as loving the nuclear family, pro-life, pro gender roles, anti gay-marriage (even if just as performed by religious institutions) etc.

What is this called and why is it not represented?

I'm not sure why people are thinking this is libertarian...it's literally the opposite of the right-wing libertarian position if mapped in the quadrant system.

This is more like old-school Christian Democrats or something.

 

[sun rise]

Support for strong social welfare, benefits, NHS, free education, free school meals etc. As well as strongly traditional values such as loving the nuclear family,

I'm pretty close to this but only with some traditional values.

pro-life, pro gender roles, anti gay-marriage (even if just as performed by religious institutions) etc.

"pro-life" - I'm pro-life but don't believe in government making that decision. Instead government and private groups should remove barriers to women having babies such as proving decent health care, education/training, support for the pregnant woman with adoption after birth etc. This might be a UK/US difference - especially for health care.

Even more, I'm "pro-life" after birth and that includes health care for all, education and all the rest. We really should label those who only care about the fetus but not what happens after birth with a different label because that's not "pro life" to me.

As far as gender roles and gay-marriage go, I'm libertarian and think that people should be able to exercise their own take especially without government getting in the way.

 

[JustGeorge]

I've noticed a lot of religious folks hold this political position but it doesn't seem to be a votable one. There's no party I can think of in the UK or US, which which I'm most familiar, that represents this and is also worth voting for.

So this is the position:

Support for strong social welfare, benefits, NHS, free education, free school meals etc. As well as strongly traditional values such as loving the nuclear family, pro-life, pro gender roles, anti gay-marriage (even if just as performed by religious institutions) etc.

What is this called and why is it not represented?

It would be nice to see something represented other than what already is. We need more variety in politics...

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It sounds like right libertarian to me.

How?

As well as strongly traditional values such as loving the nuclear family, pro-life, pro gender roles, anti gay-marriage

Libertarianism is basically the opposite of that in a lot of ways, such pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-whatever you want to do so long as it doesn't impede and infringe upon another. Right Libertarians are also those like Milton, Nozick, or Revoltingest. They don't have free college and all that.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

How?

Libertarianism is basically the opposite of that in a lot of ways, such pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-whatever you want to do so long as it doesn't impede and infringe upon another. Right Libertarians are also those like Milton, Nozick, or Revoltingest. They don't have free college and all that.

Like I said in the other post, if you have religious views which are traditionalists but you don't believe in enforcing them on the general public, that inofitself is a pretty libertarian view.
But whether that makes you right or left is subject to interpretation.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Like I said in the other post, if you have religious views which are traditionalists but you don't believe in enforcing them on the general public, that inofitself is a pretty libertarian view.
But whether that makes you right or left is subject to interpretation.

The quadrant system, such as the political compass, has the left/right, x-axis as economic views and up/down, y-axis as social views. Rival does place in the second quadrant, rather than the third or fourth which are the libertarian quadrants.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

The quadrant system, such as the political compass, has the left/right, x-axis as economic views and up/down, y-axis as social views. Rival does place in the second quadrant, rather than the third or fourth which are the libertarian quadrants.

I know how the xy axis works, but strong government welfare programs coupled with low government enforcement of personslly held beliefs, even If you have very strong personal beliefs, wouldn't make sense in the blue quadrant?,

It sounded to me like Rival was talking about having traditional views but not voting them into rule of law. Which is consistent with libertarianism.
If I'm wrong about that @Rival please correct me.

 

[Kenny]

"Bizarro World Libertarian"?

Is that like a pizza? Throw in any topping you want?

 

[Rival]

I know how the xy axis works, but strong government welfare programs coupled with low government enforcement of personslly held beliefs, even If you have very strong personal beliefs, wouldn't make sense in the blue quadrant?,

It sounded to me like Rival was talking about having traditional views but not voting them into rule of law. Which is consistent with libertarianism.
If I'm wrong about that @Rival please correct me.

These issues may be voted on.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It sounded to me like Rival was talking about having traditional views but not voting them into rule of law. Which is consistent with libertarianism.

That is correct, however, I am pointing out that is not in line with how libertarianism is normally defined and applied, and Rival doesn't place in the libertarian quadrants. It's more or less another shortcoming of the system (dogmatic adherence and liberal adherence would be another shortcoming).
I agree with something more akin to a Christian Democrat.