Socialist Sanders threatened to give Socialist AOC a very 'important role' if elected.

[Twilight Hue]

WH bartender?

Coyote Ugly? ;0)

 

[Shad]

In the interest of responding to the conflating of the word socialist, I'll do the same in return and assert that anyone who supports Trump is a member of the Trump Cult and has sworn to repeat the Trump Cult Party Line as well as saying that anything he does, including violating any laws is 100% perfect . So keep it up Trump Cult minions.

Too bad she is actually a member of DSA. This is not Nowhere Man's calling everyone/anyone socialist for no cause. You could have easily confirmed this but you didn't bother. Now try again.

 

[Shad]

No fan of Bernie but I don't understand why you continue to use the word "Socialist" as an insult against people who openly identify with the term. Saying "Socialist AOC" is redundant. Everyone knows she considers herself a socialist.

Except some people don't. Look at Sunrises response.

 

[Shad]

I've literally read nothing to that effect. Do you have sources for it? Because I've been following his stances pretty closely since last election, and while income tax might increase there's been no mention of sales tax increases, and quite a bit of emphasis on a rehaul to medical doing away with copay and premiums.

I am telling you how much taxes I pay in Canada which has the social programs he wants.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Guess what party extracts the most taxes and imposes the most bans and mandates in US history.

From experience; both.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I am telling you how much taxes I pay in Canada which has the social programs he wants.

Fantastic, but without evidence it's not the socialist programs he "wants" or that would be in place. He might reference Canadan and European models, but that doesn't necessitate "This is what I'm going to do". Unless you've got evidence to the contrary.

 

[Shad]

Fantastic, but without evidence it's not the socialist programs he "wants" or that would be in place.

I never said socialist programs. I said social programs. Social does not mean socialist

He might reference Canadan and European models, but that doesn't necessitate "This is what I'm going to do". Unless you've got evidence to the contrary.

These all cost money. Your taxes are going to go up. Look at the numbers from his own site which are generous to say the least

Medicare for All
The Green New Deal
Free College, Cancel Debt
Expand Social Security

And more

Bernie Sanders on the issues

He is also making up rights as he goes.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

These all cost money. Your taxes are going to go up.

Unless - and this has been the focus - unless our taxes are simply properly allocated to relevant programs. Less taxes going to corporations and national prayer leaders, more going to schools and hospitals.

You're giving me things I've already read and known. Nothing that indicates drastically higher taxes on top of 12% sales tax. It's also very humorous that you say he's "making up rights as he goes," when he's been the most consistent politician, saying the same things for 40 years or so now. Find any video of Bernie, and it's the same issues and the same solutions that corporate greed never wants to hear.

 

[Shad]

Unless - and this has been the focus - unless our taxes are simply properly allocated to relevant programs. Less taxes going to corporations and national prayer leaders, more going to schools and hospitals.

The US in 22 trillion in debt. Do note that Sanders does not have any plan to balance the budget. Now or later your taxes are going to go up to cover those costs. It isn't an allocation issue, it is a general overspending issue the US has. Sanders does nothing to change this.

You're giving me things I've already read and known.

You didn't read closely then or think deeply. You say what you wanted to see and your eyes glazed over. US revenue from taxes is 3.2 trillion a year. Think about it compared to the numbers he is throwing around. 2.5 trillion for housing. There goes the majority of the budget.

Nothing that indicates drastically higher taxes on top of 12% sales tax.

Wrong. No proposal of a balanced budget means taxes will increase now or later to cover an increased debt. This isn't hard to figure out.

It's also very humorous that you say he's "making up rights as he goes," when he's been the most consistent politician, saying the same things for 40 years or so now.

So? He is still making up rights such as a right to a job.

Find any video of Bernie, and it's the same issues and the same solutions that corporate greed never wants to hear.

Or anyone that does not want to see their income vanish to cover the poor you take in for no reason which increase the burden of the taxpayer that can not claim deduction and benefits.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

The US in 22 trillion in debt. Do note that Sanders does not have any plan to balance the budget.

Wrong.

Bernie has different ideas:

Progressive Taxation: Progressive income and estate taxes will raise money for the budget while preventing the creation of an oligarchy and aristocracy.
Corporations and the wealthy must pay their taxes: Middle-class Americans are forced to pay taxes, while the super-rich and corporations enjoy loopholes. That needs to stop.
Reduce the Defense Budget: America spends almost as much on defense as the rest of the world combined. Our defense budget can and should be reduced.
Invest in Infrastructure: Investing in America’s crumbling infrastructure will create millions of jobs and stimulate the economy so there is more tax revenue to fund the federal budget.

Imagine where we'd be if Jeff Bezos didn't get to make 11 trillion in profits and not pay a dime of taxes on it.

You didn't read closely then or think deeply. You say what you wanted to see and your eyes glazed over.

Bold assumption, and quite a bit of BS.

 

[PureX]

I don't care.

Of course you don't. That was my point ... that's anti-socialism: selfishness and greed. Peter doesn't want to share for the sake of Paul, so the "nanny-state" has to step in and make Peter behave like a responsible adult, instead of a selfish, spoiled child.

 

[Shad]

The two people being targeted in OP identify as Socialists. I maintain that the use the word "Socialist" as an insult against them is pointless. I'm not talking about Sunrise, i'm talking about politicians in OP.

Read my post again.

 

[Shad]

Wrong.

None of that balances the budget as he is just shifting spending with minor tax increases. Look at the math. The numbers do not balance the budget.

Imagine where we'd be if Jeff Bezos didn't get to make 11 trillion in profits and not pay a dime of taxes on it.

He does not have 11 trillion. He does not even have 1 trillion. He pays billions in taxes. 53 billion on estate alone.

Bold assumption, and quite a bit of BS.

You didn't do any math and pulled numbers from nowhere. Yawn.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Jeff Bezos is on track to be the world's first trillionaire.

His company, Amazon, paid NO Federal taxes last year, while each and every one of his abused employees did. Many cities give Amazon a tax break to build facilities there.

Methinks we could use a little socialism right now.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

None of that balances the budget

How do you know? Has it been done before? What's Shad's Grand Idea for balancing the ever-growing budget? Because right now Sanders is doing more than you; he's at least posing plans and ideas to a solution.

He does not have 11 trillion.

I mean't billion. Once we start getting up into the fantasy numbers beyond millions, it's really all so much dick-waving anyways.However, His net worth is $111 billion, with a personal wealth - personal - of $8.2 billion. And yes, he did not pay taxes on $11.2 billion last year. It's also unclear with a quick search how much Jeff Bezos himself pays in taxes (what is clear is that Amazon payed $0 in taxes), so unless you've got sources to back up your statements...

 

[Yerda]

Bernie Sanders says Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would play a "very important role" in the White House if he becomes president


So much for personal and economic freedom if those two are in control.

Still, I can't help but wonder what job Socialist AOC would get?

I'd make her Queen of sass, Secretary for pointing and laughing at right-wingers, and High priestess of liquidating the billionaires.

 

[Shad]

How do you know? Has it been done before?

Do the math.

What's Shad's Grand Idea for balancing the ever-growing budget?

There is no solution with cutting down the military to next to nothing and/or social programs. The US has the problem that it often is the world police but the world does not pay the bill.

Because right now Sanders is doing more than you; he's at least posing plans and ideas to a solution.

He does not have a solution and he has words on paper. Yawn

I mean't billion.

He has more than 11 billion.

Once we start getting up into the fantasy numbers beyond millions

It's a real number

And yes, he did not pay taxes on $11.2 billion last year.

Federal taxes is not the same as property taxes. In some states people pay no federal income taxes at all as it is done via the states.

I have no issues with cutting tax credits and various reduction for successful business that make a profit.

It's also unclear with a quick search how much Jeff Bezos himself pays in taxes (what is clear is that Amazon payed $0 in taxes), so unless you've got sources to back up your statements...

Fact-check: Does Amazon pay '$0' in taxes?

You are horrible at google.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Of course you don't. That was my point ... that's anti-socialism: selfishness and greed. Peter doesn't want to share for the sake of Paul, so the "nanny-state" has to step in and make Peter behave like a responsible adult, instead of a selfish, spoiled child.

Yep. The high and mighty horse. The I'm better and more deserving attitude so I am therefore deciding to rob you by gunpoint.

 

[metis]

I guess some are unaware that taxes usually get spent on helping people one way or another.

BTW, when the former Finance Minister in Sweden was asked what helped Sweden emerge from a serious recession and dramatically improve economically in the late 1990's, his response was this: "Higher taxes".

Now to some who may not understand macro-economics, this probably makes no sense, but if one actually studies it, this very much can make sense, depending on how the tax money gets spent.

 

[Revoltingest]

I guess some are unaware that taxes usually get spent on helping people one way or another.

Tell that to our targets.

You can buy into the myth that this is good for the economy.
I don't see the profit in it.