1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Socialist Healthcare is Fundamentally Flawed

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by ShivanCommander, Apr 4, 2011.

  1. ShivanCommander

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2011
    Messages:
    27
    Ratings:
    +0
    It's failed everywhere it was tried. It makes everyone pay higher taxes. It lowers the quality of healthcare. It makes longer waiting lines. It eliminates people's ability to choose their own healthcare plans and their own doctors. It means lesser healthcare for the elderly. It makes things even easier on people who don't work and skim off government. There is absolutely no desire for anyone to be a doctor. Oh and don't forget that ever since England adopted universal healthcare, patient deaths due to doctor negligence have risen nearly 80% more than they were before.

    This is America, if you need a surgery, you get a job and you work for a living like a normal person, don't skim off government programs that let you sit on your *** for 5 years, or wait, even more years now, since they extended unemployment. For every one person who is legitimately bad off and incapable of rational thought and/or working, there are a thousand people who abuse the system for their own personal gain and take money off of social security. Plus it's not like people don't all get healthcare when they need it, liberal propaganda has people believing that if you go into an emergency room you won't get treated simply because you're not "super rich" which is a complete and utter lie. They are required to treat you, it doesn't matter how much money you have.

    Why should the government decide what healthcare I get? Why should the government decide who my doctor is? It shouldn't, but that's what people want. People are getting lazy and stupid, they want the government to do everything for them, since they're too lazy to actually get off their *** and do something like they're supposed to. If anyone remembers during the 2008 election, reporters were asking random people off the street why they were voting for who they were voting for, and the number one answer for people who voted for Obama (a Democrat), was that he would "take care of them" and "pay off their debt for them" because they were too ******* stupid to pay off their own debt, in fact, they were stupid enough to get in debt to begin with by purchasing things they don't need on credit.
     
  2. Falvlun

    Falvlun Earthbending Lemur
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2008
    Messages:
    12,516
    Ratings:
    +2,311
    Except that the greatest single cause of bankruptcy in America is medical debt: Link
    Medical bills are also among the highest reasons for taking on high credit card debt. The year I graduated college-- so I was no longer on my parents' insurance-- I had an appendectomy that cost over $10,000. This year, I shattered my calcaneus. Luckily, Obama passed his health care plan, allowing me to be back on my parents' insurance, otherwise, just as I had finished paying off my appendectomy from 2008, I would have been slapped another $18,000 for the necessary orthopedic surgery. It's not like I could have chosen not to have it done, and it's not like I could just refuse to pay it.

    Americans pay twice as much for health care as any other developed country, and yet our infant mortality rate and life expectancy is at the lower end.

    Access to medical care is a right, not a luxury, and it's a shame that in this wealthy country, we do not have the decency to make sure that people can get that care without having to worry about where the money will come from.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. ninerbuff

    ninerbuff godless wonder

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2010
    Messages:
    3,065
    Ratings:
    +100
    It's great to see you voice opinion, now you need to back your rants with actual proof that what you say is fact and not opinion.
    List of Countries with Universal Healthcare « True Cost – Analyzing our economy, government policy, and society through the lens of cost-benefit
    These countries have had them instituted for years and counters the BS you've opined on.

    Sick people can't work.:facepalm: Yes there are abusers of the system, but they are the ONES WHO DON'T NEED IT.

    Where's your support for your allegations? Spouting off your opinion without actual proof can may you look more uneducated.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  4. ninerbuff

    ninerbuff godless wonder

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2010
    Messages:
    3,065
    Ratings:
    +100
    Just noticed you're also TROLLING in other forums under the guises of Alien embyro, Barbkw, Dinocrisisfan, samusaran and all with the same EXACT thread...............go troll somewhere else. The intelligent here have no use for lackeys.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Greased up & ready for action!
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    153,064
    Ratings:
    +43,926
    Religion:
    Bokononism
    All health care is fundamentally flawed.
    The real trick is to evaluate competing systems & design the most practical.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. ShivanCommander

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2011
    Messages:
    27
    Ratings:
    +0
    How am I trolling?
     
  7. Luminous

    Luminous non-existential luminary

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2008
    Messages:
    3,206
    Ratings:
    +154
    Unlike Satan's healthcare(capitalist) which is (G**damn) perfect. please, i've compared both and socialist healthcare is a drag for the rich and powerful, who have no sense of decency, respect, or duty.
     
  8. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Greased up & ready for action!
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    153,064
    Ratings:
    +43,926
    Religion:
    Bokononism
    "Troll" just means they disagree with you.
    I should know....I'm a troll too, if you look at responses to my posts here.
    Btw, welcome aboard!
     
  9. Vendetta

    Vendetta "Oscar the grouch"

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    2,233
    Ratings:
    +112
    Yup Rev. You forgot to tell him you're racist too! Lol
     
  10. Magic Man

    Magic Man Reaper of Conversation

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2008
    Messages:
    18,514
    Ratings:
    +1,447
    Interesting interpretation, but wrong as usual. When you post this same exact OP on at least 10 different sites including a Catholic forum, it's called spamming and trolling. The trolling aspect is when you just post a rant like this that isn't really meant for debate out of the blue.
     
  11. Oneatatime

    Oneatatime Huh?

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2011
    Messages:
    774
    Ratings:
    +43
    This gets my vote. We should be identifying what works best from the variety of Public and Private healthcare systems in the world and create a system based on this appropriate to the country in question. Extremes of one or the other appears to result in profiteering like we see in the US or becoming top-heavy in expensive managers like we see in the UK.
     
  12. ShivanCommander

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2011
    Messages:
    27
    Ratings:
    +0
    How is it against the rules to carry on multiple conversations at once?
     
  13. Magic Man

    Magic Man Reaper of Conversation

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2008
    Messages:
    18,514
    Ratings:
    +1,447
    It's not, but that's not what trolling or spamming is.
     
  14. Valjean

    Valjean Veteran Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2004
    Messages:
    21,996
    Ratings:
    +9,691
    Religion:
    Vedanta (reform)

    Again, the government is us. Why are you so opposed to family members helping and caring for each other?
     
  15. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Greased up & ready for action!
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    153,064
    Ratings:
    +43,926
    Religion:
    Bokononism
    Smurphs are so cute when they try to reason.
     
    #15 Revoltingest, Apr 4, 2011
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2011
  16. Magic Man

    Magic Man Reaper of Conversation

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2008
    Messages:
    18,514
    Ratings:
    +1,447
    Says the guy who spells "Smurf" wrong, and uses 's for a plural. I guess it's easier to try to attack the poster than attack their argument, though. That's what usually happens when one has no argument. Sort of the equivalent of "Oh, yeah? Well, you're dumb!". It's just too bad an old man has to resort to that.
     
  17. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Greased up & ready for action!
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    153,064
    Ratings:
    +43,926
    Religion:
    Bokononism
    I ditched the apostrophe, but I prefer this spelling....it looks better & it upsets you.
    What a buffoon....if yer lucky, you just might become an old man some day...or a crone.
     
  18. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Misanthropic Humanist

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2009
    Messages:
    26,685
    Ratings:
    +9,148
    The problem with socialized health care is that I never go to the doctor.
     
  19. ninerbuff

    ninerbuff godless wonder

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2010
    Messages:
    3,065
    Ratings:
    +100
    You aren't looking for a debate. You are just doing it to try to get a rise out of people. That's why you do it on multiple forums. Hey, if that's what you need to massage your ego, but if you come here with that ****, you better be ready to back it up with facts.......now where are the facts to back up your statements or are you just talking out of your ***?
     
  20. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Greased up & ready for action!
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    153,064
    Ratings:
    +43,926
    Religion:
    Bokononism
    But the doctor will come to you.
     
Loading...