Socialist Bernie Sanders won't even pay his own staff a 'living' wage.

[Epic Beard Man]

It's the current Pub mantra to attack "socialism", and yet I doubt very much if most who use it really understand what "socialism" is or isn't.

For examples, is socialism a political or economic system? Is Sweden, for example, a "socialist" country? Is China (PRoC) a "socialist" country, and if it is, then why has it grown much faster economically over the last couple of decades than the U.S. if "socialism" doesn't work? Is the U.S. a "socialist" country? If one is against "socialism" and lives here in the States, then will the anti-socialists collect on their Social Security, Medicare, or even expect the United States Armed Services to defend them since these all are "socialistic" programs run by the fed and financed through taxes for the benefit of all, which is what "socialism" is? Maybe some should even look up the Wiki article on "socialism" to see how diverse it really is.

The bottom line: all countries today have what we call "mixed economies", and that is a blend of capitalistic and socialistic programs. So, for one to say the "socialism" is somehow evil and that it doesn't work is complete nonsense. However, that won't stop the Pub fear-mongering.

Metis you already know Socialism is that word the devil created

 

[Neutral Name]

Called their complaints of poverty wages and long hours "inappropriate" as clearly, it's breaking a cardinal rule to make a good socialist look bad.

Bernie Sanders defends campaign staff salaries after accusations of 'poverty wages'

It's the prime example of what socialist Democrats do. Expect it.

Lie and swindle people with no intention of keeping any promises, because there's really nothing in it for socialist Bernie Sanders that benefits himself.

What an ungrateful staff. They should know socialist Bernie Sanders would care of them on the same premise that he said he would take care of the nation with living wages and proper Healthcare.
It's just someday, not today.

Yeaaaaa...... The perfect example of a man who does for his own, what he promises to others.

Welcome to Democrat Socialism. The way of the future.

Ok, so I'm not voting for Bernie Sanders. Which Democrat should I vote for?

 

[Neutral Name]

Metis you already know Socialism is that word the devil created

Why?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Ok, so I'm not voting for Bernie Sanders. Which Democrat should I vote for?

There are no Democrats anymore.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Why?

Because people don't know what socialism is but is a word that is cursed.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It's the current Pub mantra to attack "socialism", and yet I doubt very much if most who use it really understand what "socialism" is or isn't.

For examples, is socialism a political or economic system? Is Sweden, for example, a "socialist" country? Is China (PRoC) a "socialist" country, and if it is, then why has it grown much faster economically over the last couple of decades than the U.S. if "socialism" doesn't work? Is the U.S. a "socialist" country? If one is against "socialism" and lives here in the States, then will the anti-socialists collect on their Social Security, Medicare, or even expect the United States Armed Services to defend them since these all are "socialistic" programs run by the fed and financed through taxes for the benefit of all, which is what "socialism" is? Maybe some should even look up the Wiki article on "socialism" to see how diverse it really is.

The bottom line: all countries today have what we call "mixed economies", and that is a blend of capitalistic and socialistic programs. So, for one to say the "socialism" is somehow evil and that it doesn't work is complete nonsense. However, that won't stop the Pub fear-mongering.

Of course your helplessly and perpetually stuck out on ingore as to what Sweden says about it...

Swedish Ex-Prime Minister Rebukes Bernie: Socialism Only Destroys | Alice Salles


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[sun rise]

Didn't you freak out when AOC DID pay her staff a living wage? Pick a lane, dude.

Exactly. And that's why I'm an AOC supporter because she's walking the talk and why I'm not a Bernie supporter for 2020.

 

[sun rise]

Ok, so I'm not voting for Bernie Sanders. Which Democrat should I vote for?

That's a very good question and one I've not decided for myself. Right now I'm leaning Warren or Harris but have plenty of time before the primary election to decide.

 

[sun rise]

There are no Democrats anymore.

Actually there's no Republicans any more just Trump minions. Well, actually, there are a few who used to be Republicans and left because the right is all about rejecting modernity not about a conservative approach to government.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Are you of all people seriously criticizing a government official for using their electoral position to make money?

This is a drop in the bucket (a damning drop in the bucket, but a drop nonetheless,) compared to Donald Trump and many Republican and Establishment Democrat senators. Interesting who you decide to put in your crosshairs though.

I don't see Trump robbing Peter to pay Paul.

AOC felt entitled to a substantial increase in her pay , dictating a substantial decrease in her senior staff pay to make her look good to increase her low-level subordinate pay just like a socialist media darling would do without sacrificing any such pay for herself.

 

[metis]

Of course your helplessly and perpetually stuck out on ingore as to what Sweden says about it...

Swedish Ex-Prime Minister Rebukes Bernie: Socialism Only Destroys | Alice Salles


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So, you find one opinion source and that's all you depend on? And then your sarcastic response above on something you clearly know so very little about is really a crown-jewel of ignorance and arrogance if there ever was one. I've read numerous books on Sweden, including one that I'm currently reading, plus I have numerous cousins there that live a cleaner, happier, more educated, and more secure life than we have here in the States, but you would never know that as you obviously don't study. Maybe read this link, but I doubt that you will: .Socialism - Wikipedia

Anyhow, I've decided to "streamline" my time here at RF, and you never have much that's positive to offer here, so this will be our last "conversation". .

 

[Willamena]

Called their complaints of poverty wages and long hours "inappropriate" as clearly, it's breaking a cardinal rule to make a good socialist look bad.

Bernie Sanders defends campaign staff salaries after accusations of 'poverty wages'

It's the prime example of what socialist Democrats do. Expect it.

Lie and swindle people with no intention of keeping any promises, because there's really nothing in it for socialist Bernie Sanders that benefits himself.

What an ungrateful staff. They should know socialist Bernie Sanders would care of them on the same premise that he said he would take care of the nation with living wages and proper Healthcare.
It's just someday, not today.

Yeaaaaa...... The perfect example of a man who does for his own, what he promises to others.

Welcome to Democrat Socialism. The way of the future.

Nice smear.

 

[SugarOcean]

Called their complaints of poverty wages and long hours "inappropriate" as clearly, it's breaking a cardinal rule to make a good socialist look bad.

Bernie Sanders defends campaign staff salaries after accusations of 'poverty wages'

It's the prime example of what socialist Democrats do. Expect it.

Lie and swindle people with no intention of keeping any promises, because there's really nothing in it for socialist Bernie Sanders that benefits himself.

What an ungrateful staff. They should know socialist Bernie Sanders would care of them on the same premise that he said he would take care of the nation with living wages and proper Healthcare.
It's just someday, not today.

Yeaaaaa...... The perfect example of a man who does for his own, what he promises to others.

Welcome to Democrat Socialism. The way of the future.

Just more evidence Bernie is out of touch with reality.

He's a socialist that made over $1 million last year and he owns three properties.
What people don't realize that are all for The Bern to burn America in 2020 is, when he spouts his rhetoric about Socialism, he's not talking about his living that way. He's talking about making you and me live that way.

 

[columbus]

I didn't think George HW was all that bad. He practiced restraint in not going into Iraq when he had the chance, and he, knowing it would cost him his 2nd term, raised taxes breaking a campaign promise.

I think that Bush I was likely the most evil President during my lifetime(I am 60).
More than anybody else from this country, he created the mess in the Middle East and trashed the USA middle class.
Then he got his kid to carry on the tradition.
Tom

 

[metis]

Just more evidence Bernie is out of touch with reality.

He's a socialist that made over $1 million last year and he owns three properties.
What people don't realize that are all for The Bern to burn America in 2020 is, when he spouts his rhetoric about Socialism, he's not talking about his living that way. He's talking about making you and me live that way.

"Socialism" doesn't mean nor imply that everyone needs to have a similar income, only what we call "pure communism" and Marxism considers that to be the ideal. There are many millionaires in the Scandinavian countries, and that is not in opposition to their form of socialism.

Here: Nordic model - Wikipedia

 

[Twilight Hue]

Nice smear.

It's called shining a light on the roaches.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think that Bush I was likely the most evil President during my lifetime(I am 60).
More than anybody else from this country, he created the mess in the Middle East and trashed the USA middle class.
Then he got his kid to carry on the tradition.
Tom

People seem to forget quickly who flew planes into the Twin Towers that started it all.

Bush warned that we will go after them and the countries that harbor them and we certainly did.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Exactly. And that's why I'm an AOC supporter because she's walking the talk and why I'm not a Bernie supporter for 2020.

Yep giving herself a nice big pay raise, and cutting the pay of her senior staff to pay for the 'living' wage of the lower staff. God forbid should she cut hers.

She certainly is walking the talk and is on her way to being a perfect socialist.

 

[Neutral Name]

Actually there's no Republicans any more just Trump minions. Well, actually, there are a few who used to be Republicans and left because the right is all about rejecting modernity not about a conservative approach to government.

I actually have to stick up for a few Republicans. I have seen a few who have gone against Trump. I would consider them if they want to help "the people" instead of the wealthy and corporations.

 

[Neutral Name]

Because people don't know what socialism is but is a word that is cursed.

The dictionary told me that socialism is "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole." That would be, to me, similar to giving employees shares in a company which is done. I don't see a problem with this. The only problem would be can people excel if they have the ability-the capitalist system? That can be either good or bad. People should be able to move ahead if they have the capability but they shouldn't be able to monopolize. So, I'm kind of down the middle on that.