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Socialist AOC states the VA already has top notch healthcare.

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Nowhere Man, Apr 23, 2019.

  1. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    So, I've been a part of military healthcare for the last 13 years, and it has been steadily trending upwards in quality, especially the VA side. It is not a perfect system (what is?), But I wouldn't trade the access I have, for all the insurance in the world.
     
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  4. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    The one called social media.

    I'm willing to bet she never actually stepped a foot in a VA hospital in person and talked to the veterans there.

    Probably determined it by looking up some 'info' from a socialist website talking about Healthcare.
     
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    I go to the VA. I am old enough to use Medicare but I can't afford to. Damn, the VA can't make me 18 again though. I'm COPD, Arthritic, and have severe PTSD. They are nice to me and don't discriminate against me. Not sure what the complaint is.
     
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    Both of you are probably recalling information that is more than a decade out of date, and which even at the time was greatly sensationalized by the media, after a couple of the many hundreds of VA sites in the US came up lacking.
    AOC is correct once again....
    VA hospitals often the best option for medical care, study finds
     
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    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    But she's an evil socialist and can't be correct according to the right wing. But I am enjoying the obsession she's generating. It's helping prepare her for running for and winning the Presidential election in the future.

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    I can't say what our pseudo government is. I thought it was an Oligarchy but now I think it is a drunken card game by Daemons. Anyone who thought it was a Democracy should know better now.
     
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    Socialism, amirite?
     
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    Yer dern tootin'!

    My father uses the VA too. For some reason I can't convince him to stop using this socialist abomination and pay for his care out of his own pocket. It is odd but he he likes his full coverage.
     
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    I'm glad you are being taken care of well, Ellen, and that the VA is nice to you and doesn't discriminate against you. I don't think many complain about those issues. The problems the VA healthcare system has are quite different. Incredibly long wait times in order to be seen, problems with bureaucracy in getting treatments authorized, problems with being able to GET to a care center, funding...

    Put it this way, since you have given us an anecdote, here's another. My father is a WWII vet. He's 93. He had shrapnel in his back that destroyed a kidney and weakened his spine. It took him, quite literally, 65 years to get the VA to A: admit that his problems were war related and B; to get care for them. If it weren't for the fact that he's a 'rocket scientist' (yeah, really, he is) and worked for NASA, he would still be waiting, and still being denied. He finally called his congress rep, who finally pulled strings. Even THEN it took a year.

    And the process for getting benefits is labyrinthine to say the least. One veteran likened the process to the "Chutes and Ladders" game, where landing on the wrong space (or goofing up one piece of paperwork) will send you back to the beginning, or get you kicked out of the game entirely. My niece's husband has been attempting to get VA benefits for the last five years, and keeps being routed elsewhere...and HIS injuries were the result of an IED in the middle east, so well documented that they have videos of the original incident, and all the medical records from that instant.

    It's not that they turn him down, mind you. It's that they keep putting him in some queue or other, and he waits. Many veterans have died while waiting.

    THOSE are the complaints.
     
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    Our nation is not a democracy. It never was a democracy, It wasn't intended or designed to be a democracy. It is a republic. There is a difference.

    We do not want a straight democracy. When one does that, one gets...Greece. Modern day Greece.
     
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    In the standard modern sense of the terms it is both a republic and a (representative) democracy.
     
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    Doesn't the VA rate highly in quality of care? Don't the patients themselves rate it highly?
    But if you flood the system with huge numbers of new patients without any funding for expansion, you're going to get long wait times.
     
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    a representative democracy is a republic. If modern usage of the terms confuses the issue, then we need to start unconfusing it. We need to, if people are confused, start using the adjectives. For instance, there is a difference between a direct democracy and a representative democracy, which is also known as a 'republic."
     
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    Ah, but OAC says that nothing is broken. Underfunding is 'broken."
     
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    No it isn't. The UK is both a representative democracy and a constitutional monarchy.

    Calling representative democracies democracies doesn't really confuse anyone, it just annoys a handful of Americans who don't want to accept the fact that standard English isn't governed by centuries old, and highly contextualised discussions of some founding fathers.
     
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    I am sorry that this is happening to folk who endured so much. Other than the perhaps direct intercession by God Himself, I can not say why it's been so different, not perfect, for me. When I first walked in the door at the VA, I had Pneumonia, and E COLI and would have died. There is a lot more to it... I'm thankful.
     
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