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Featured Socialism and the Far Right

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Jan 13, 2022.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Perhaps some day I won't be permitted to, eh.
     
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    The share holders are rewarded for their investment. Workers can buy shares if they like instead of spending money on frivolous nonsense as sooooo many Americans do!

    Business owners and innovators often worked, saved capital and enlisted other citizens and lenders to underwrite their projects. That’s how I started my business in this great capitalist country.
     
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    I think there is already efforts to make that happen in places such as universities.
     
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    "But I wanna own part of the company
    without investing any money or taking
    any risk.....wah wah wah!"
     
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    We've seen posters here claim that displaying some offensive
    messages is assault/violence, eg, Confederate flag.
     
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    A lot of left-wing snowflakes would go for it, I'm sure.
     
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    Throwing money and canned food donations at the problem isn't going to solve anything. The underlying causes are systemic.
     
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    That's never stood up to careful scrutiny.
     
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    Stockholders want maximum profits, and aren't generally concerned with how they're generated. CEOs see it as their duty to maximize profits, which entails minimizing expenses. Employees and benefits are expenses.

    Neoliberal economics, dominant since 1980, holds it a moral duty to maximize stockholder and owner profits by minimizing expenses; that supporting non-profitable and social welfare enterprises is unethical, that unions are evil, and that regulations curbing exploitation, environmental, and health hazards must be eliminated for business to flourish.
    Understood. But capitalists have also declared war on the middle class, and deregulation has enabled consolidation and monopolies, which have gobbled up the myriad small businesses, and business opportunities, that existed in the '50s, '60s and '70s. America is now dominated, politically and economically, by only a handful of largely multinational corporations, with no particular allegiance to the US, and a positive animosity to "the general prosperity."
     
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    And socialists have declared war on economic liberty.
    So I fight the good fight against the would-be oppressors.
     
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    You are absolutely right!
    Poverty and Spending Over the Years

    We spend more and more and it doesn't change a thing. Throwing more money is not the solution.

    "The United States has dramatically increased federal spending fighting poverty over the last 55 years. Total welfare costs have risen from $803 per person in poverty in 1965 to $22,735 per person in 2020. "
     
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    I disagree.
     
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    Thirty or forty years ago there was a homeless problem, to be sure, but I don't recall being approached at every stop light by beggars, or seeing tent cities in public parks and along roadways. We didn't see full time employees needing food stamps or medicaid, both spouses working to maintain middle-class status, having to take out loans to put our kids through school, or the prospect of medical bankruptcy.
    I'm still waiting for the neoliberal tide of Reaganomics to raise my boat.
     
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    Wages are rising because of the labor shortage.
    You're getting your wish...or at least an end to the wait.
     
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    They're rising only slightly, and certainly not tracking productivity as they did half a century ago. Nor have extortionate housing, drug, healthcare, or educational costs been addressed.
     
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    I don't think that is the systemic problem. You are mentioning problems - but it isn't the systemic problem. IMV

    As you said, throwing money at the problem isn't the solution.
     
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    Of course, one could make the argument that the values taught by Jesus would, in application, favor one economic system or one political ideology over another.

    I just wanted to point out that this comes down to interpretation. None of that is made explicit in the texts we have themselves. In my personal opinion, I think they're too ambiguous to make these sorts of extrapolations and every interpretation of the sort relies heavily on assumption and personal bias. The fact of the matter is that Jesus never explicitly advocated or condemned either socialism or capitalism.
     
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    Things cost what they cost.
    Anyone who can & wants to work can get great pay.
     
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    love gives life to all. some squander it away. they don't invest in other. so yes the potential is there but no everyone manifests it.
     
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    everyone is generally social, the problem is when someone thinks they deserve more than another based on some physical attribute vs mental/spiritual attribute. exploiting people for gain is a capitalist action, not a socialist one.
     
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