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Featured Socialism and the Far Right

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Jan 13, 2022.

  1. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    I agree, and I taught a short unit on Marxism in my poli sci course.
     
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    Jesus didn't really teach any political or economic system. He taught charity and forgiveness, which are universally applicable. A lot of Christian companies donate a substantial portion of their income to charity, even sponsoring charities. That's not more or less in-line with Jesus than advocating for socialism.

    Neither socialism nor capitalism existed at the time of Jesus and Jesus himself hung around outcasts of a wide variety of perspectives.
     
  3. KenS

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    Hmmm - that was your phrase... we see diamonds. It is all perspective.

    So... why are you so filthy rich?
     
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    I basically agree with these points.
     
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    There is some truth to this but I think you misapplied the principle because he gave the one talent to the one that had the most. You can't gift a measure of love to someone who already has it.
     
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    I disagree since he specifically said "with God all things are possible" and rich Zacchaeus had no problem with it and was accepted.

    Obviously you are wrong. Land is land. Houses are houses.

    That is correct. Now, since Jesus was all about the law, knew "He who gives to the poor lends to the Lord and He shall repay it". Not to mention that by considering the poor, there are an innumerable blessings not to mention part of the law.

    Hmmmmm... nope.
     
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    Poor are poor usually for a reason and borders don't change that. Giving fish to the hungry means they will be hungry tomorrow. Going to the root and teaching them how to fish while you feed them is the better answer.

    Don't get me wrong. I am against the rich that don't consider the poor... but I'm not heaping all the rich people together because there are many that do immense good.
     
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    anna. Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    What is the reason people are poor?
     
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    How can you disagree? Those are allegedly Jesus' own words that it's easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than getting a rich man into Heaven. It doesn't say it's impossible, just that it's harder than an impossible task.
    Then what houses and land did Jesus and his disciples own on Earth? They had none. A tiny hut on communally owned land is an increase in wealth from such poverty.
    Christianity gets Judaism wrong from the very first story by inserting a rebellious Satan into the serpent. In Judaism there was no rebellion and the serpent was just a serpent because they don't have a devil.
     
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    No.
     
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    I don’t think so. But, the problem with this is, people have many different definitions for socialism. In my experience the difference between a Christian and a socialist is this:

    Christian says: “How can I help you, what can I do or you?”
    Socialist says: “You must do this for me/us”.

    I think right and left are only opposite sides of socialism. Right is the national socialists (Nazis), left is the internationalist socialists (globalists). Both of them are socialists.

    Often it seems people call wrongly people right, when those people are just people who are against big government that is against the freedom of those people.

    “Socialists” may disagree with this, but I think in practice it is bad, legalized theft and against freedom of the people. But, because the word can have many meanings, I think it would be best to not use right left or socialist/capitalist division. Instead better would be to look where person is on No freedom/Freedom axis, does the person support strict government ruling, or free society. Often “capitalists” and “socialists” seem to be both very much against freedom, the means to get the total control is just slightly different, but the result is basically the same.

    I hope people in USA vote for those who don’t try to destroy their constitution and freedom.
     
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    WHAT IF!!!!!

    Instead of trying to tear down every person that has more money than us, WHAT IF instead we ask God, or you ask your god, or yourself that has no god, to give you wisdom to prosper and increase so that WE can help our fellow man?
     
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    There are a myriad of reasons that I personally have seen. Divorce, single parents, lack of education, in some cases--lack of drive, bad spending habits, use of credit cards, addictions (alcohol, cigarettes et al), some just want to be homeless, some prefer government help vs working. I'm sure there are other reasons. Many are poor because they lost their businesses with the mandates.

    But one thing I have never found... a person who is poor because there are rich people (at least not in my country). Not that there aren't any but I haven't come across them.

    In each case, those who wanted help got it and their financial situations improved.
     
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    Because of what else Jesus said?

    How do you know? Where did their families live? Can you give me a source? After all, it IS what Jesus said.

    Hmmmmmm.... no
    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/satan-the-adversary/
     
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    You need a Bible lesson from an apostate and Satanist?
     
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    Be honest, you didn't read that.
     
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    I was speaking from the perspective of a hypothetical, archetypical church. Context is key.

    I'm only wealthy in wisdom and I'm showering you with it out of kindness and generosity. :)
     
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    It's a straw man; they like to cherry pick 3rd world examples whose systems nobody actually considers ideal models.
     
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    That reminds me of this:
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    Yet you heap all the poor together and dismiss their struggle as laziness, ignoring obvious economic factors. Some work two jobs just to keep their head above water. The cost of living has been outpacing wages and salaries for decades, The ladders of economic mobility have been losing their rungs. the wealth gap continues to grow, and you honestly think it's all due to laziness?
     
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