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So, you want to be like Sweden?

epronovost

epronovost

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exchemist said:
However the Swedes like it that way. It has not been imposed on them by force. It might be good for some people here to ponder for a moment how this can be.
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Don't take Quillette too seriously. It's a site with a decisively paleoconservative affects which published a large number of crap up too and including racialist garbage. They do produce some nice stuff once in a while, but the bad stuff is really bad.

Quillette - Media Bias/Fact Check
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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Wandering Monk said:
'Sweden is a country known for the imposing size of its state sector and some of the most intrusive social policies in the Western world.'

Sweden Has Resisted a Lockdown. But That Doesn't Make it a Bastion of Liberty - Quillette
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I found that article kinda horrendous, to be honest.

I mean...
It may indeed seem puzzling: Sweden is a country known for the imposing size of its state sector and some of the most intrusive social policies in the Western world. Though sidewalk cafés are crowded, lighting a cigarette here is illegal, not to mention bringing your drink when you slip out of a bar for a smoke.
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Okay...then Australia and New Zealand are also countries with 'imposing state sectors and some of the most intrusive social policies in the Western World'.
Countries including Austria, Belgium, France, Demark and Finland all spend a higher percentage of their GDP via government spending.
And the point on home schooling is a strange tangent.

So...yes, in Australia home schooling is possible, following a registration protocol. But apart from that, our situation will be similar. In the normal run of events, you need to send kids to school, and will be very quickly asked for a 'please explain' if you don't.

I get that the current Swedish situation is different, but from their point of view they are saying that 'normal rules apply'. The very point of trying to build immunity across a community and protect the economy demands that, to some degree.

The whole article read to me as if written by someone who sees individual liberty as the highest expression of society, which is fundamentally different to what the majority of Swedes I've met would believe. And I've met a LOT of Swedes.
 
Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
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Wandering Monk said:
'Sweden is a country known for the imposing size of its state sector and some of the most intrusive social policies in the Western world.'

Sweden Has Resisted a Lockdown. But That Doesn't Make it a Bastion of Liberty - Quillette
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Sweden's populatoin is smaller, it doesn't have nukes pointed at and out of it, and its government can't get as big as ours. Its not the same. Its simply not comparable. I like what I hear about Sweden, but we aren't in Sweden and can't be like Sweden.
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Wandering Monk said:
'Sweden is a country known for the imposing size of its state sector and some of the most intrusive social policies in the Western world.'

Sweden Has Resisted a Lockdown. But That Doesn't Make it a Bastion of Liberty - Quillette
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Seems the idea is to work toward herd immunity.
Mostly just waiting to see how that works out for them. FOX reported there was an uptick in Covid-19 related deaths. So will they avoid more deaths by speeding herd immunity? Will it be a wash or worse? Be a year or more before we know which was the right course.
 
Salvador

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Brickjectivity said:
Sweden's populatoin is smaller, it doesn't have nukes pointed at and out of it, and its government can't get as big as ours. Its not the same. Its simply not comparable. I like what I hear about Sweden, but we aren't in Sweden and can't be like Sweden.
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Overall mean B.M.I. of Swedes is 25,8, overall mean B.M.I. of Americans is 28.8,

List of countries by body mass index - Wikipedia

You're right, Americans can't be like Swedes!
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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Revoltingest said:
This article is the first I've heard that we libertarians want to use it as a model.
But I'll admit that it's better than many places, eg, Cuba, N Korea.
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I assumed some level of straw-manning going on.
As in, some libertarians have pointed to Swedish policy specifically on COVID as evidence that a more permissive policy could have been followed.
That has then been used as the genesis for a 'what about' article looking at Sweden's other less libertarian policies.

What-about-ism at it's best.

I would imagine it's entirely possible to agree with Sweden's handling of COVID, and disagree with their paid parental leave scheme (for example).
I shouldn't imagine many actual living and breathing libertarians think they need to jump aboard the 'Swedish-Train' across the board.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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Nakosis said:
Seems the idea is to work toward herd immunity.
Mostly just waiting to see how that works out for them. FOX reported there was an uptick in Covid-19 related deaths. So will they avoid more deaths by speeding herd immunity? Will it be a wash or worse? Be a year or more before we know which was the right course.
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I hope it works out well.

They've got a higher death rate now, which is to be expected, but I agree it will only be later, on reflection, that we really get an idea.
Even then, trying to judge direct covid deaths versus economic impact and the associated potential deaths of that...meh...I can see a lot of people colouring results based on bias.
 
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