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Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Oeste, Dec 5, 2018.

  1. Skywalker

    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    Jesus in his humanity will only rule for a limited period of time. He will rule as king eternally. The book of Daniel mentions that the man who was with Daniel was like a son of man. The babylonian king said that he looked like a son of the gods. The Old Testament uses language about Jesus that is very similar to that of the New Testament.
     
  2. Soapy

    Soapy Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince

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    Ha ha ha... I knew you are a Bot....!!!

    What a ridiculous and nonsensical answer.... ‘Straight out of a comic book!’

    Ha ha ha... And Oeste says it’s anti-trinitarians who don’t answer questions... ha ha ha!!!
     
  3. Skywalker

    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    God the Son what it means that Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus isn't literally the Son of God, just like he isn't literally the Angel of the Lord.
     
  4. Soapy

    Soapy Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince

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    Answering to a Bot with gems of wisdom is like Jesus said:
    • ‘Don’t throw you’d pearls before swines as they will only trample them under foot [not understanding their worth]’
    However, for the record:
    There is no ‘literally son of God’ as you say... quite right!!

    God does not PRO-CREATE... that is, give birth to offspring. I think people, and especially Trinitarians to not understand the word ‘Pro-Create’.

    Again, for the record: ‘Pro-Create is a fleshly CREATION:
    • Animal to animal
    • Insect to insect
    • Fish to fish
    • Bird to bird
    • Microbe to microbe
    • Flower to flower
    • Man to man
    • ...
    God is SPIRIT... Angels are Spirits...
    God and Angels do not pro-create.

    Jesus was CREATED in body and his spirit put into him in exactly the same way as Adam, the first man. Hence Jesus is called, ‘The Last Adam’, or ‘The Second Adam’ (both are valid). This is because they were both CREATE from INERT MATERIAL as to their BODY; and the body was ENLIVENED by the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD.

    I don’t expect a BOT to understand but the record is for those reading who can understand: ‘Have eyes to see and ears to hear!’

    Now, ‘Son of...’, means:
    • ‘He who does as his creator Wills, commands, directs, him to do’
    This is clear from Jesus himself:
    • ‘I only said I am the Son of God. If I am not doing the Works of the Father then believe for the works themselves’
    Another scripture says:
    • ‘All who do the works of the Spirit are CHILDREN of God’
    So all should be clear. Adam, in the day of his creation up until he sin, followed the spirit of Gid completely. He was therefore rendered as ‘Son of God’ (Luke 3:38). But we know he fell from that sonship after he sinned.
     
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  5. Skywalker

    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    That's what I meant when I said Jesus being the son of God means that He is God the Son. Do you think God breathing life into Jesus is why He is God's Son? It could be that and his Sonship in the Trinity. Jesus being the Son of God makes sense if it means Jesus is God the Son because the Bible calls the king of Babylon the son of the morning, and that isn't literal.
     
  6. Soapy

    Soapy Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince

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    Bots have no sense. They can only construct meaningless sentences just as you are doing here. The whole sentence and paragraph is full of fallacies. If this was mathematics you’d be laughed out of the room!
     
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    Soapy Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince

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    Why is one co-equal, co-omnipotent, co-omniscient, member of a co-equal, co-omnipotent, co-omniscient God not equal, not omnipotent, and not omniscient?

    And another member not even have a throne to rule over?

    While one member has all, everything, is Almighty, all-knowing, and has control over all aspects of the other two members... hardly seems like a corperation ive ever heard of - and we mirror our Father God as his creation in his image!!
     
  8. Skywalker

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    The expression son of has a lot of symbolic meanings. It's not just with Jesus. It's also with what Isaiah said in Isaiah 14 about the devil and the king of Babylon.
     
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    Submission is about cooperation. It's like a marriage. Jesus didn't mirror God like we do because Jesus was God.
     
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    When you can reply to something I actually wrote, let me know. When you can answer the OP in a logical coherent manner I'll take time to make a reply. :)
     
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    Science. The only choice not God.

    A pretence. A machine designed built. Non reactive. A fake God.

    Human theist only living son in the heavens. Remember we live inside heavenly body spirit gases. Talk relative science and then you would understand.

    Human male holy life. Only son male is God heavens. Is not God. Is a man. A human.

    CH in science gases that had arisen out of God stone. Kept life safe.

    The only male. A man. A father quantifying self scientist sacrificed his baby male to adult life. Future of life in satanic act. Sion convert Sion. Fu Sion by fis Sion.

    Fis H by terrestrial magnetism symbol H.

    Radiation mass contradicted Christ mass.

    God core heart mass release overcame cooled water holy baptism above our heads. Burnt out Christ spirit.

    The relativity teaching.

    Relative. My father. Not Jesus.
    My mother not Jesus. They have sex.

    Jesus not God.
    Jesus not our father.
    Jesus sacrificed baby life by father adult theist. The ist. Lists. Satanist. Satan ism.

    Not God ist.
    Not God ism.

    God only God. A teaching to self human.

    Ice melted. Floods.

    Floods filled in sin removed origin form. God body. Flood went into holes after great Seal broken. Sin K.

    K symbol science constant
     
  12. Soapy

    Soapy Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince

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    Yes, Oeste, when trinitarians cannot wriggle out of the fallacy they spout in Satan’s name they do as you do.

    Thank you for confirming the fallacy of trinity and that more than that, it is devil’s teaching even as it claims Christ and God as it’s head....

    Claiming ‘Christ’ AND ‘God’ as it’s headS... while not understanding that it is presenting TWO INDEPENDENT persons AS GOD:
    1) Jesus is God
    2) God is God

    Ha ha ha... see? No wonder such nonsense developed into the ‘Jesus Only’ and ‘Oneness’ type of belief.

    But notice this:
    • There are only TWO ‘persons’ in your expressed TRINITY.....
    • Stephen saw ONLY TWO PERSONS in the vision of Heaven as he was being stoned to death!!!
    • Jesus said ONLY that he was going to THE FATHER
    • Jesus acknowledged ONLY THE FATHER as the ONLY TRUE GOD
    • The Apostles epistles acknowledged ONLY GOD, the Father.... and Jesus Christ
    • YHWH, the Father, God Almighty, stated that he is the ONLY [true] GOD
    • The Holy Spirit is the ACTIONING FORCE of the Father God / not another person... hence it is SENT AS AID and an AIDE upon Jesus as an anointment (‘Christ’: Holy Anointing: to be ‘Set aside for either Kingship or Priesthood. Jesus was anointed for both) and upon the Apostles (‘Wait in Jerusalem until you receive power from on high’) at Pentecost (They received only a priestly assignment in general but a kingship with Christ also for those who remained true to their end: ‘They will rule as kings and priest with Christ Jesus’)
    Oeste, and you say no one answers a Bot’s question... Responding like skywalker responds: no sense and repetitive crap, is BOTness!
     
  13. Soapy

    Soapy Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince

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    Skywalker, tell me more, and greater more than just a sentence or two, and with references, about what you believe, ‘Son of...’ means.
     
  14. Oeste

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    When you can reply to something I actually wrote, let me know. When you can answer the OP in a logical coherent manner I'll take time to make a reply. :)
     
  15. Skywalker

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    The expression son of has a lot of meanings that are metaphorical.

    Jesus as the Son of God

     
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    Soapy Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince

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    Jesus ‘WAS GOD’...?

    Ha ha ha... trinity gets more ridiculous the more it is probed!!!

    1) Jesus is the ‘Image of God’ ... but -
    2) Jesus ‘WAS God’... but -
    3) Jesus was a Man

    In one moment Jesus was God who could do miracles such as raise the dead... just like Elijah and Elisha hundreds of years earlier...

    The next moment Jesus didn’t know how when he would return because ONLY HIS GOD AND FATHER knew and neither did Jesus know who was to sit on his right and left hand in his rulership BECAUSE ‘ONLY THE FATHER, who has established things IN HIS TIME, knows’. So the trinity Jesus-God is a defective ALMIGHTY GOD???!

    Acts 2:29-36:
    • 29Brothers, I can tell you with confidence that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that He would place one of his descendants on his throne.h 31Foreseeing this, David spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did His body see decay. 32God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.33Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says:

      ‘The Lord said to my Lord,

      “Sit at My right hand35until I make Your enemies

      a footstool for Your feet.” ’i36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”“
    Jesus Christ, son and descendent of king David...

    “***God made Jesus to be both Lord and Christ***”

    Acts 4:10:
    • “then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.”
     
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    God raising Himself from the dead is not a self contradiction, because the God who created the universe is omnipotent, and Jesus is both God and man.
     
  18. Soapy

    Soapy Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince

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    This ‘copy paste’ stuff does not answer the question because all it says is that if someone is like their Father then that person is the Father’s son... and while that is true it is not YOU that is saying it but the script you plagerized!!

    It does not show YOUR UNDERSTANDING but rather only what someone else thinks...

    And where is this ‘Muslim’ comparison coming from? I am not comparing OTHER religious beliefs but trinity fallacy only.

    And, you haven’t really expressed the ‘Sonship’ of the scriptures directly like I asked you!
     
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    Soapy Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince

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    The Bot continues to spread nonsense ... nothing in scriptures states that God raised himself... as Moorea944 asks: ‘Where are you getting this ridiculous nonsense from?’
     
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    Soapy Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince

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    Darkness flees from the light... Oeste flees from truth!!!

    Bye bye, Oeste!!!
     
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