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So Is The Bible The Be All and The End all?

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by IndigoStorm, Jan 11, 2017.

  1. IndigoStorm

    IndigoStorm Member

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    Are there any Christian members of this forum prepared state that the Bible is the word of God put into writing by various scribes, be they Essenes and other? And that all Christians interpret god's word correctly and truthfully?
     
  2. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    Absolutely not
    God is the prime source himself. Through the teachings of Jesus. the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and the verbal traditions of his church.
    However if you like to go Bible "mining" it is the place to start, but it is not that useful with out help.
     
  3. syncretic

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    The Bible is the word of Deity. /if you even know what that means/

    I don't know who told you otherwise
     
  4. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    That is the reply of a sola scriptura follower. and those influenced by Calvin.
    It is not that held by the traditional Christian churches, Including Catholics, Orthodox or Anglicans. who would maintain that all scripture is inspired By God, But not necessarily the word of God.
     
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  5. syncretic

    syncretic Veteran Member

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    This is vague. If i say that the Bible is the word of God, why does that have to mean, that parts /specifically/ noted as being the words of men, make the Bible 'not the word of God'?
    Even in that instance, the Bible is divine in composition, hence making it easily, ''the word of God''.

    Seems like you're trying to say the Bible isn't the word of God, without saying it
     
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    yes
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    Yes, the Bible is the inspired Word of God. No, all Professed Christians do not interpret God's word correctly and truthfully.
     
  8. Neo Deist

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    Yes and no.

    The original works written by people like Moses, are called the Autographs. I have no problem believing that those Autographs could be the absolute, infallible, divinely inspired, word of God.

    However, those Autographs have long been destroyed. When Nebuchadnezzar II (Persian King) took Jerusalem way back in 589-587 BCE, his armies burned the temples to the ground. Those Autographs went up in smoke. All that we have today are copies of copies, and there is no way to prove that they are identical to the originals. Humans make mistakes all the time, so there is no question that scribes made mistakes in their handwritten copies. Compound that by two thousands years worth of human errors, and you get something that has been butchered from the original version.

    There will be some people that don't like to hear that because they view the Bible as inerrant, but they are putting too much value on a book, almost to the point of idolatry.
     
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    The Bible is the 'inspired' word of God, as such it is 'of' God, but since God does not speak, the word is human.
     
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    They didn't write everything Jesus said and did in the bible. The bible sort of covers all the bases. If what Christians say and do doesn't contradict the bible they stay within the lines drawn out by the Apostles. But there are no real hard fast lines, sort of like they say, "a lamp to guide your feet".
     
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    The Bible says in greek in Timothy that all scripture is 'God breathed' that means in the original inspired, it does not mean Christians never make mistakes or Christians perfectly understand every aspect

    But I think a person can trust God to help them get the important parts and happily the main things are the plain things and the plain things are the main things, i.e. the perspicuity of scripture holds.
     
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    When Abdul-Baha visited London in 1911 He left an inscription in an old Bible at the City Temple

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    Written by 'Abdu'l-Bahá in Persian

    THIS book is the Holy Book of God, of celestial Inspiration. It is the Bible of Salvation, the Noble Gospel. It is the mystery of the Kingdom and its light. It is the Divine Bounty, the sign of the guidance of God.

    'Abdu'l-Bahá Abbas.
     
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    Daniel the prophet called the scriptures 'the book of truth'
     
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    Exactly. It is Catholic teaching that inerrancy is understood as a consequence of biblical inspiration; it has to do more with the truth of the Bible as a whole than with any theory of verbal inerrancy. Vatican II says that "the books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching firmly, faithfully, and without error that truth which God wanted put into the sacred writings for the sake of our salvation" (Dei Verbum 11). What is important is the qualification of "that truth" with "for the sake of our salvation."
     
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    I do believe in plenary inerrancy of the original manuscripts, we see Jesus making a point of whether a word was past tense or present There is a resurrection because God said I AM the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob... not I WAS and Paul made a point that God promised to bless Abraham through his SEED (singular) not seeds plural

    But people do make mistakes, including translators and so this is regarding the originals but the main points stand
     
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    Well stated. The Truth does not depend on detailed verbal accuracy but the unity of the whole. Job did not believe in an afterlife, yet both Job and the Resurrection are included in the whole. And the first chosen remain the chosen.
     
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    The Bible is to me a record of revelation over about three thousand years and as literature has poetry, songs of praise, and histories which imply a concept of time with a beginning and end... and describes a relationship between God and humanity... the love of God for man and of man for God. It has inspiration and addresses a gamut of human emotions and aspirations in a progressive way.

    The influence of the Bible on Western culture is deep and profound.
     
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    I find myself in disagreement with some here.

    The Bible (that you have today) is a heavily edited, heavily censored, carefully constructed collection of separate works. It is a work of man, or rather of men. As a collective work taken as some kind of literal truth it fails at almost every corner being as it is, filled with contradictions, statements in one place that completely say the opposite in another place. Even on a most basic level, the Old Testament speaks of a rash, angry God who murders at will, including women and children, who engages in ethnic cleansing, global cleansing and a whole raft of pretty awful atrocities. The New Testament then talks of a God of compassion, love and mercy. The whole, simply doesn't stack up and any rational mind can see that and finds it inherently difficult to reconcile.

    There is a reason for all of this which is that the Bible and many other religious tomes were written by men to record great secrets at a time in history when people would be hunted down and murdered for those secrets. The secrets were recorded cryptically and in code which is why much of the general content just seems either strange or odd or silly.

    Over the years, unscrupulous men have recognised that the human condition is one of high vulnerability. A human can, from an early age, be programmed with almost any kind of information to the extent that the human will believe it, not question it and then adjust their life behaviours around it. The Bible you have today is as much a weapon as an historical work.

    Our chances or ever seeing the true original works is zero. We will only ever see translations and publications which have been so heavily censored by groups of men self-appointing themselves as the only ones able to make judgements on what is and what is not worthy, that the whole thing is rather pointless. Religion robs you of your freedom and inherent right to see the truth. To look at the real true source documents, all of them, and make your own judgement of what the truth actually is.

    In short, the secrets that were recorded have been taken from us, and are jealously guarded by a select elite and in their place we have a mish mash of individual works with much key content removed. We could talk about the numerous Gospels that are missing from the Bible, above the basic 4 (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John), the Gospels of Philip, Mary Magdelene, Judas and Thomas which present an entirely different "story" to what we have in today's Bibles.

    However the truth goes far deeper than this. There remain some of the secrets in what we have today, but it is nigh on impossible to see and understand them unless you have first had explained to you certain truths, certain physical processes, experiments, scientific methods. Once you have been told those and know how those processes operate, you then see how they appear in the Bible in cryptic prose. The words leap out of the pages instantly and you see them for what they are. Everything starts to make sense and you see how you have been duped by the mainstream Biblical teaching for years.

    When you talk to someone about the Bible, about whether it should be taken literally, about whether it is the word of God or not, I need only ask them one question which is:

    "What do the opening passages of Genesis talk about?"

    If the person says the creation of the universe by God, then I know they haven't a clue what the text is truly saying. They are as duped as we all have been, as I was before my eyes were opened.

    Genesis is laying out a simple alchemical process, a process that makes complete sense, a process that can be undertaken by any one of us, with just a little basic equipment. It is telling us that because it is one of the greatest secrets of life. That same secret is mentioned in numerous other places of the Bible. The Bible even has Jesus talking about it. Yet millions of Christians the world over have absolutely no clue about it and continue to try and take the Bible literally. They are caught in the trap of social conditioning, religious conditioning and many will never come to the truth.
     
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    there has been far too much rewrite

    but...sufficient portions remain to affirm and guide
     
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  20. outlawState

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    No Christian could state that the whole bible is the word of God without being a scholar. Every christian has to accept what is effectively a fait accompli, in the bible that we have, which was put together by others a long time ago. Jesus did not vouch for the whole bible. What we can be pretty sure Jesus vouched for were the prophets (major and minor), Torah and Psalms, and some of the writings, such as Samuel.

    Books like Esther are definitely "iffy", and Daniel is what it is, a rather different composition probably the early 2nd century BC, along with Enoch written by anonymous prophets. Those books have to be read properly, and nor per a cultic label which can lead one into theological error.

    As for the correct interpretation: it is absolutely conclusive that many self-professing Christians have outrageous interpretations of the bible, which should exclude them even from being called a Christian.
     
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