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Smart Gun technology. I think its time it arrives in the US without restrictions to the 2nd amend

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
If someone bent on mayhem attacks me,
then I see their life as subordinate to mine.
Deadly force is justified.
You Brits are welcome to value murderous
attackers equally with innocent victims.

Nothing wrong with beating him off, or restraining him. Even killing him if he attacks you.
But if you shoot him just because he is burgling you, you could be found guilty of murder.
As I said it is highly unlikely a burglar would be armed or attack you in the UK, as that raises the crime to a far higher level, with much higher sentences.
However a few sadistic ones do. Usually against the elderly.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I find the British approach to be ridiculously sheep-like.
The idea that one shouldn't harm an assailant is ridiculous.
"Oh, but a bobby will protect me!"
"Don't hurt the poor burglar or rapist!"
Cops here don't protect.
They even pose a danger to many.
So self defense is a responsibility...not a sin.

Well, the British used to be tougher on crime back in the old days, this is true. They used to burn people at the stake, boil them oil, put them to the rack. We never did anything like that in America.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Nothing wrong with beating him off, or restraining him. Even killing him if he attacks you.
But if you shoot him just because he is burgling you, you could be found guilty of murder.
As I said it is highly unlikely a burglar would be armed or attack you in the UK, as that raises the crime to a far higher level, with much higher sentences.
However a few sadistic ones do. Usually against the elderly.

The thing is, if some intruder is inside your house, you have no way of knowing if he's just burgling you. A lot of burglars tend to wait until no one is home, so there would be no chance of a confrontation with anyone living there. A burglar who breaks in to someone's home while someone is there is a more aggressive sort and presumably more dangerous.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Nothing wrong with beating him off....
A happy ending would be the wrong defense.
or restraining him. Even killing him if he attacks you.
But if you shoot him just because he is burgling you, you could be found guilty of murder.
I don't favor shooting a burglar without warning first.
This assumes one appears to pose no physical threat.
As I said it is highly unlikely a burglar would be armed or attack you in the UK, as that raises the crime to a far higher level, with much higher sentences.
However a few sadistic ones do. Usually against the elderly.
The burglar knowingly takes that risk that the victim
could perceive a threat, or perhaps want vengeance.
If the perp dies as a result, it's a good result because
of their choice.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well, the British used to be tougher on crime back in the old days, this is true. They used to burn people at the stake, boil them oil, put them to the rack. We never did anything like that in America.
I oppose using boiling oil for self defense.
Same for burning at the stake....or the rack.
I prefer wits & guns.
But that's just me. I respect your right to
submit to the criminal's thefts & assaults.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
A happy ending would be the wrong defense.

I don't favor shooting a burglar without warning first.
This assumes one appears to pose no physical threat.

The burglar knowingly takes that risk that the victim
could perceive a threat, or perhaps want vengeance.
If the perp dies as a result, it's a good result because
of their choice.

Well, some of it would be legal in Denmark and some of it illegal.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Well, the British used to be tougher on crime back in the old days, this is true. They used to burn people at the stake, boil them oil, put them to the rack. We never did anything like that in America.

If the US was as old as the UK, we probably would have done those things too.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
If the US was as old as the UK, we probably would have done those things too.

Probably, although we likely would have added our own flair and style to it.

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esmith

Veteran Member
I have one thing to say about "smart gun" tech
If my life depened on an electronic device being 100% reliable I would reject it since nothing is 100% reliable.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I have one thing to say about "smart gun" tech
If my life depened on an electronic device being 100% reliable I would reject it since nothing is 100% reliable.
For some people, electronics could add an extra
level of reliability, eg, preventing others from
wrongfully using the gun. But for us, electronics
is just one more thing to fail.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I have one thing to say about "smart gun" tech
If my life depened on an electronic device being 100% reliable I would reject it since nothing is 100% reliable.

No all guns are 100% reliable, You could build such a smart gun to be as reliable as guns. But to demand 100% is not possible, not even of a gun.
 
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