Wildswanderer
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Prove it.That is just wistful thinking.
They cause far more deaths, than they save.
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Prove it.That is just wistful thinking.
They cause far more deaths, than they save.
Prove it.
Prove it.
There are many examples in the news of peopleit would be hard to prove that guns save any lives. it is usually take a life to save a life so a life is still lost. That is what guns do.
There are many examples in the news of people
using guns in self defense against assailants.
There are many examples in the news of people
using guns in self defense against assailants.
That would be dependent on weither a crime happens in a home or elsewhere.That is only taking one life against another. A gun was still used to kill.
The attitude difference is that is ok to kill criminals in the USA.
it is not ok. To shoot a burglar in the UK.
That would be dependent on weither a crime happens in a home or elsewhere. It's not ok to randomly shoot a burger in public but it's justifiable if one's home gets invaded.
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That would be dependent on weither a crime happens in a home or elsewhere.
It's not ok to randomly shoot a burger in public here unless the burglar demonstrates deadly force, but it's justifiable if one's private home gets invaded.
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That is only taking one life against another. A gun was still used to kill.
The attitude difference is that is ok to kill criminals in the USA.
it is not ok. To shoot a burglar in the UK.
I searched, & picked the 1st example I found.Yes, and it is impossible to know if that would have played out differently without guns including the cases where the assailants died.
If someone bent on mayhem attacks me,That is only taking one life against another. A gun was still used to kill.
The attitude difference is that is ok to kill criminals in the USA.
it is not ok. To shoot a burglar in the UK.
If someone bent on mayhem attacks me,
then I see their life as subordinate to mine.
Deadly force is justified.
You Brits are welcome to value murderous
attackers equally with innocent victims.
I let the individual make the choice of self defense or submission.Well, it is not that simple. In some cases it could be done differently. In others you have a point.
I let the individual make the choice of self defense or submission.
After all, it's their body to keep free of harm or not.
I find the British approach to be ridiculously sheep-like.Yeah and we as we have different standards for that. We are in general debates.
I searched, & picked the 1st example I found.
69-yr-old Florida woman says she warned home invader to ‘back off dude’, but he didn’t. Now, he's dead.
Another....
Burglary suspect following homeowner in 'threatening manner' shot to death
You can argue that the intruders who refused to back off
had possibly non-violent intentions. The same can be
said of many other assailants who break into homes, &
advance upon residents. But we also know that people
who don't kill their attackers have died.
Police: Homeowner dies after being stabbed during burglary
So self defense is useful, even if results & alternatives
are probabilistic.
I respect your right to take no violent action against
your assailants, & give them the benefit of doubt.
But I'd make a different choice.
I find the British approach to be ridiculously sheep-like.
The idea that one shouldn't harm an assailant is ridiculous.
"Oh, but a bobby will protect me!"
"Don't hurt the poor burglar or rapist!"
Cops here don't protect.
They even pose a danger to many.
So self defense is a responsibility...not a sin.
I agree.You learn in Concealed Carry class to say, "Don't make me shoot you." That clearly tells the intruder that they had better stop what they are doing and also clears you in court. If they flee, then the job is done without any violence.
I often see no relationship betweenWell, you surely don't use emotions. Just the rest of us.