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Smart Gun technology. I think its time it arrives in the US without restrictions to the 2nd amend

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
There are many examples in the news of people
using guns in self defense against assailants.

That is only taking one life against another. A gun was still used to kill.

The attitude difference is that is ok to kill criminals in the USA.
it is not ok. To shoot a burglar in the UK.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That is only taking one life against another. A gun was still used to kill.

The attitude difference is that is ok to kill criminals in the USA.
it is not ok. To shoot a burglar in the UK.
That would be dependent on weither a crime happens in a home or elsewhere.

It's not ok to randomly shoot a burger in public here unless the burglar demonstrates deadly force, but it's justifiable if one's private home gets invaded.
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Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Hi
That would be dependent on weither a crime happens in a home or elsewhere.

It's not ok to randomly shoot a burger in public here unless the burglar demonstrates deadly force, but it's justifiable if one's private home gets invaded.
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Burglary implies a private home. That does not justify shooting. Or even attacking a burglar in the UK. except in actual self defence against an attacker. It is extremely rare for a burglar to be armed in any way or to attack a home owner.

In the few cases that they do, I doubt owning a firearm would do more than get you shot with it.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
That is only taking one life against another. A gun was still used to kill.

The attitude difference is that is ok to kill criminals in the USA.
it is not ok. To shoot a burglar in the UK.

That's not entirely true, except in cases of self-defense. Other than that, there are many different attitudes and opinions on the subject of crime. We are not all of one like mind on this.

Some believe that criminals are victims of society and should be given sympathy.

Others' sympathy lie with the victims and believe that criminals are scum who should be locked away (or executed, in the case of capital crimes).

And then there are those who may have been influenced by stories of the Old West, vigilantism, and good old fashioned trail justice.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yes, and it is impossible to know if that would have played out differently without guns including the cases where the assailants died.
I searched, & picked the 1st example I found.
69-yr-old Florida woman says she warned home invader to ‘back off dude’, but he didn’t. Now, he's dead.
Another....
Burglary suspect following homeowner in 'threatening manner' shot to death
You can argue that the intruders who refused to back off
had possibly non-violent intentions. The same can be
said of many other assailants who break into homes, &
advance upon residents. But we also know that people
who don't kill their attackers have died.
Police: Homeowner dies after being stabbed during burglary
So self defense is useful, even if results & alternatives
are probabilistic.

I respect your right to take no violent action against
your assailants, & give them the benefit of doubt.
But I'd make a different choice.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That is only taking one life against another. A gun was still used to kill.

The attitude difference is that is ok to kill criminals in the USA.
it is not ok. To shoot a burglar in the UK.
If someone bent on mayhem attacks me,
then I see their life as subordinate to mine.
Deadly force is justified.
You Brits are welcome to value murderous
attackers equally with innocent victims.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
If someone bent on mayhem attacks me,
then I see their life as subordinate to mine.
Deadly force is justified.
You Brits are welcome to value murderous
attackers equally with innocent victims.

Well, it is not that simple. In some cases it could be done differently. In others you have a point.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yeah and we as we have different standards for that. We are in general debates.
I find the British approach to be ridiculously sheep-like.
The idea that one shouldn't harm an assailant is ridiculous.
"Oh, but a bobby will protect me!"
"Don't hurt the poor burglar or rapist!"
Cops here don't protect.
They even pose a danger to many.
So self defense is a responsibility...not a sin.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
I searched, & picked the 1st example I found.
69-yr-old Florida woman says she warned home invader to ‘back off dude’, but he didn’t. Now, he's dead.
Another....
Burglary suspect following homeowner in 'threatening manner' shot to death
You can argue that the intruders who refused to back off
had possibly non-violent intentions. The same can be
said of many other assailants who break into homes, &
advance upon residents. But we also know that people
who don't kill their attackers have died.
Police: Homeowner dies after being stabbed during burglary
So self defense is useful, even if results & alternatives
are probabilistic.

I respect your right to take no violent action against
your assailants, & give them the benefit of doubt.
But I'd make a different choice.

You learn in Concealed Carry class to say, "Don't make me shoot you." That clearly tells the intruder that they had better stop what they are doing and also clears you in court. If they flee, then the job is done without any violence.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I find the British approach to be ridiculously sheep-like.
The idea that one shouldn't harm an assailant is ridiculous.
"Oh, but a bobby will protect me!"
"Don't hurt the poor burglar or rapist!"
Cops here don't protect.
They even pose a danger to many.
So self defense is a responsibility...not a sin.

Well, you surely don't use emotions. Just the rest of us.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You learn in Concealed Carry class to say, "Don't make me shoot you." That clearly tells the intruder that they had better stop what they are doing and also clears you in court. If they flee, then the job is done without any violence.
I agree.
I've no desire to shoot anyone.
 
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