Smart Gun technology. I think its time it arrives in the US without restrictions to the 2nd amend

[mikkel_the_dane]

All these things are here.
What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

No, they are not. Some are, but not all.

 

[Revoltingest]

...keeping firearms for "defensive" use: a way to protect your life that's so ****ty it's often more likely to kill you than save you.

That's commonly said.
But what's the argument & evidence?

Statistics are also a blunt instrument. While some
people are more in danger when possessing a gun,
Healthy trained people who store them securely
will benefit. The trick with risks is to manage them.

 

[Nakosis]

No, they have the Internet.

By which they can figure out how to get their hands on an illegal firearm as well.
No law, no smart technology, no amount of security is going to prevent all gun violence, but it might stop some of it.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

By which they can figure out how to get their hands on an illegal firearm as well.
No law, no smart technology, no amount of security is going to prevent all gun violence, but it might stop some of it.

Well, you could build a police state, but that only means that the violence "moves" around.

 

[Nakosis]

Well, you could build a police state, but that only means that the violence "moves" around.

Well we don't want that I think but short of that.
A police state, IMO, is exchanging one set of dangers for another.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It would be far more intelligent and far simpler to do away with the second amendment.
It is a blight on America.

 

[SomeRandom]

First some information...

Here’s What’s Up With "Smart Guns" — And Why You Can’t Buy One In The US

I think this could provide a fairly practical solution, not affect 2nd amendment rights, and wouldn't restrict legitimate buyers further than what we have now in terms of regulations to obtain a firearm legally.

I really like the idea that such firearms cannot be 'borrowed' by other people aside from its rightful owner. It includes law enforcement officers at well as in cases of disarming the weapon cannot be trained back on the officer by a criminal.

I think that alone will reduce the repeated tragedy of mass killings by firearms.

What do you think?

Its at best a fair compromise that I hope both Democrats and Republicans can agree on at the table. I'm sure the public would appreciate a type of safety without a loss of rights for an individual.

Let's make it happen!

Well it’s not without its hiccups, but it does seem to be a fairly good compromise.
I suspected that it would only be a matter of time before technology caught up with guns, so to speak.

Sooner or later guns will likely use facial recognition (or eye scans, maybe finger scans) as a sort of password in order to be used, similar to how phones use that now.
Honestly surprised that they don’t already.

If this tech does indeed reduce mass shootings in the US, I’ll certainly be glad

 

[Revoltingest]

Well it’s not without its hiccups, but it does seem to be a fairly good compromise.
I suspected that it would only be a matter of time before technology caught up with guns, so to speak.

Sooner or later guns will likely use facial recognition (or eye scans, maybe finger scans) as a sort of password in order to be used, similar to how phones use that now.
Honestly surprised that they don’t already.

If this tech does indeed reduce mass shootings in the US, I’ll certainly be glad

If my Glock identified me as reliably as my iphone,
I wouldn't trust it in a high stress self defense situation.
Technology can certainly be useful for gun safety, but
I don't think we're at the point of universal adoption.
More important than new tech....
- Training
- Secure storage
- Comprehensive limiting of access so
that at risk people don't possess guns.

 

[SomeRandom]

If my Glock identified me as reliably as my iphone,
I wouldn't trust it in a high stress self defense situation.
Technology can certainly be useful for gun safety, but
I don't think we're at the point of universal adoption.
More important than new tech....
- Training
- Secure storage
- Comprehensive limiting access so that at risk
people don't possess guns.

Valid point. Maybe having a sort of “panic button” of sorts?

I agree with your measures. But I don’t know if both sides of your politics agrees. At least that’s the vibe I always get when it comes to gun safety measures in the US.

 

[Revoltingest]

Valid point. Maybe having a sort of “panic button” of sorts?

Something that defeats the electronic security?

I agree with your measures. But I don’t know if both sides of your politics agrees. At least that’s the vibe I always get when it comes to gun safety measures in the US.

I don't expect much agreement.

 

[SomeRandom]

Something that defeats the electronic security?

Ehh, maybe just temporarily? Like a 20 minute panic or something, I dunno
Then after all the danger, you have to go get it unlocked by some pro somewhere. Like you would if your bank card needed a reset or something.

I don't expect much agreement.

Unfortunately that indeed seems to be true.
Hopefully there can be some solution in the future.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ehh, maybe just temporarily? Like a 20 minute panic or something, I dunno
Then after all the danger, you have to go get it unlocked by some pro somewhere. Like you would if your bank card needed a reset or something.

I'm sensing problems without benefits.

 

[SomeRandom]

I'm sensing problems without benefits.

Well it’s early stage development.
Just need to figure out the kinks

 

[Revoltingest]

Well it’s early stage development.
Just need to figure out the kinks

I do think that tech will become useful & popular.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It would be far more intelligent and far simpler to do away with the second amendment.
It is a blight on America.

Thats too dangerous. Guns are still a valid check for rouge power and protection.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Murderers aren't always either idiots or geniuses.
Someone with an average IQ, like most people, can pick up skills necessary to get around locks, pass keys, etc..

That's why hackers are likewise being used to improve security of the weapons. It was quite surprising that 15 dollars worth of magnets can override a smart gun.

Smart-gun makers want more people to try hacking high-tech guns

But then again, with that in mind , the technology can improve enough to a point that hacking becomes less viable with each improvement down the line.

 

[Stevicus]

Think through what you're saying.

Someone who goes for a cop's gun in the spur of the moment isn't going to be in a position to "hack, alter or bypass" a gun quick enough to kill the cop.

Okay. I'm not sure what this has to do with my point.

And smart guns don't need to completely eliminate criminal use of stolen guns to significantly reduce how often this happens.

Much of it is dependent upon how effective the technology is. My point included the key word "if," in case you didn't notice.

Remember that you're arguing for keeping firearms for "defensive" use: a way to protect your life that's so ****ty it's often more likely to kill you than save you.

Is that what I'm arguing for? Gee, I hadn't noticed.

When it comes to how effective something has to be before you'll consider it worthwhile, we know your standards aren't that high.

"We" know that my standards aren't that high about what? I get the feeling that you want to tell me something, but you're holding back.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Can't even trust the computer at dollar general to work and you want me to have a computerized gun? No thanks, I'll keep my revolver.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Can't even trust the computer at dollar general to work and you want me to have a computerized gun? No thanks, I'll keep my revolver.

A revolver is an excellent weapon. I think it would be prudent to have this tech specifically on the weapons that are being used to enable mass casualty rates where things like semi automatics would be prone to smart technology and revolvers left alone, since its a chamber fed handgun with a limited capacity.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Thats too dangerous. Guns are still a valid check for rouge power and protection.

That is just wistful thinking.
They cause far more deaths, than they save.