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Featured Slavery in the Bible, (and Quran)

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by SA Huguenot, Jun 19, 2019.

  1. Epic Beard Man

    Epic Beard Man Bearded Philosopher

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    May I introduce the letter of King Leopold II of Belgium a Christian in what he said to his missionaries:

    Reverends, Fathers and Dear Compatriots:

    The task that is given to fulfill is very delicate and requires much tact. You will go certainly to evangelize, but your evangelization must inspire above all Belgium interests. Your principal objective in our mission in the Congo is never to teach the n!ggers to know God, this they know already. They speak and submit to a Mungu, one Nzambi, one Nzakomba, and what else I don’t know.

    They know that to kill, to sleep with someone else’s wife, to lie and to insult is bad. Have courage to admit it; you are not going to teach them what they know already. Your essential role is to facilitate the task of administrators and industrials, which means you will go to interpret the gospel in the way it will be the best to protect your interests in that part of the world. For these things, you have to keep watch on dis-interesting our savages from the richness that is plenty [in their underground. To avoid that, they get interested in it, and make you murderous] competition and dream one day to overthrow you.

    Your knowledge of the gospel will allow you to find texts ordering, and encouraging your followers to love poverty, like “Happier are the poor because they will inherit the heaven” and, “It’s very difficult for the rich to enter the kingdom of God.” You have to detach from them and make them disrespect everything which gives courage to affront us. I make reference to their Mystic System and their war fetish – warfare protection – which they pretend not to want to abandon, and you must do everything in your power to make it disappear.

    Your action will be directed essentially to the younger ones, for they won’t revolt when the recommendation of the priest is contradictory to their parent’s teachings. The children have to learn to obey what the missionary recommends, who is the father of their soul. You must singularly insist on their total submission and obedience, avoid developing the spirit in the schools, teach students to read and not to reason.

    There, dear patriots, are some of the principles that you must apply. You will find many other books, which will be given to you at the end of this conference. Evangelize the n!ggers so that they stay forever in submission to the White colonialists, so they never revolt against the restraints they are undergoing. Recite every day – “Happy are those who are weeping because the kingdom of God is for them.”

    A so-called Christian wrote this, not a Jew nor a Muslim. Now, let's argue the No True Scotsman fallacy

    Source:Letter From King Leopold II to Colonial Missionaries Heading to Africa
     
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  2. sooda

    sooda Well-Known Member

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    OMG.. Is this for real?
     
  3. Epic Beard Man

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    Yes. The actual letter I believe is in a museum. This is one of the first things I learned in undergraduate studies when I took African diaspora.
     
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    Its not even subtle or pious. Jeez.
     
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  5. The Reverend Bob

    The Reverend Bob Fart Machine and Beastmaster

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    Oh, I am slave to all sorts of things. The market controls how I am able to obtain resources, the media controls how I attain information and my culture controls how I behave and what I am allowed to do.
     
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  6. SA Huguenot

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    I never dissaggreed with this statement.
     
  7. sooda

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    Read the letter from King Leopold.
     
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    The Reverend Bob Fart Machine and Beastmaster

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    The Heart of Darkness is all about this.
     
  9. SA Huguenot

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    Interesting.
    If not, who was?
    Teach me!
     
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    People believe what they want.. :shrug:

    ..but that is just the anti-christian Indoctrination talking, from decades of progressive propaganda..

    History is not feeling based..
     
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    A lot of effort went into this and obviously its not correct to change the words in the bible trying to make a point. But I have to say, this discussion seems to be a lot like a discussion about what type of slavery is the best one.

    You then end up saying this in your conclusion: But the overriding truth in this whole epoch is the fact that the Bible NEVER CONDONED SLAVERY! If anyone, atheist or Muslim scholar makes such a claim, I don’t even have to be the one calling him a deceiver!

    That is absolutely rubbish, if it didn't condoned it, why all the rules? Why not a single law saying, "Your must not own slaves" end of story. To me you do a good job at highlighting the verses and then you do as all others Christians do, that have to defend it. You bend and twist it so much that it almost sound like the slaves actually had it much better than everyone else, even to the point where others should be jealous of them. They were slaves like in all others nations around them had them at the time. And God did allow it, as he made the law according to the bible.

    And yes I am an atheist deceiver, but it doesn't make what you say true, except that its obvious not ok for this muslim person to change the words of the bible, to make it appear worse than it is, just as it is for you to claim that the bible doesn't condoned slavery. That is clearly false as well.
     
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    I do not think the bible condoned going for a walk, or
    leading a goat to market. Nor yet combing one's
    hair, or buying a snack, or riding in a cart. Or
    hiring someone to help in the field.

    THEREFORE, all of those are forbidden.
     
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    And myths aren't history.
     
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    Teach you?

    You seem to have fled the interview, when
    I challenged your bs "millions", unwilling, it
    seems, to be taught anything.
     
  15. Nimos

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    Sorry don't get that? :)
     
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    If you're looking at the catalyst of the abolitionist movement, many pioneers weren't just motivated by some indirect sense of religion because remember, religion was used to justify slavery and the continuance of slavery. What motivated the abolition of slavery was a sense of empathy and compassion and the progressive mindset to elevate the human condition.

    The Christianity that existed during the middle passage was not the same Christianity that Jesus preached during his existence on this earth.

    Exhibit A True Christianity from 0:01-0:08

     
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    progressive propaganda?
     
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    Actually I have read what the Bible says about slavery.
    If you are looking for an unbiased article on it I would suggest that The Bible and slavery - Wikipedia is a fairly well cited article.

    Perhaps if you would take the ten minutes it would take to read the Wikipedia article referred to then we can deconstruct it together to find whether or not the Bible permits slavery?
     
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    In Islam that which is not expressly forbidden is permitted.
     
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    I read Dan Mellis' thread: Slavery in the Bible, and I just can not believe that anyone will make a claim on this topic without actually reading what the Bible says.

    Have YOU actually read what's in the bible? Every bible I've ever read clearly states that God condones owning other people as property. He tells his followers who they can enslave, that they can keep their slaves for their entire lives and give them to their children as property, and that you can beat your slaves, just as long as they don't die as a result within a couple of days.

    I can't believe that anyone could possibly claim that God was opposed to slavery, unless they choose to completely ignore what the bible says God's Word is.
     
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