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Slavery and Quran - An inquiry

firedragon

Veteran Member
Most readers would find it astonishing to hear that slavery still exists in the modern world. Though the practice was abolished officially it is still very much alive. According to a study done by the International Labour Organisation the estimated number of slaves has increased from 12.3 million to 30 million since 2005. Slavery is not declining, in fact it is increasing.

Defining slavery
  • Humans used, sold or bought as a commodity or property
  • Imprisoned or kept by force with no freedom of movement
  • Forced to work via some form of threat
  • Forcefully acquired or owned by a master or employer, abused or under threat of abuse.
Slavery has been officially abolished since 1981 and the world at large, including some Muslims believe that Islam does propagate slavery. It is an erroneous view as you will find the Quran telling us that slaves are to be set free as a repenting act for a sin or crime you commit. If a billion Muslims follow the Quranic teachings and seek to set a slave free to redeem themselves, 30 Million slaves might see a hope of freedom. Many do find it silly to discuss slavery but slavery is very much alive, it is in the increase and needs attention. The ILO goes to the length of quoting 90$ as the average cost of a slave.

Freeing a slave is defined as an act of piety in the Quran.

Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but pious is one who
  • believes in God and the Last Day,
  • and the angels,
  • and the Book,
  • and the prophets,
  • and who gives money out of love to the relatives,
  • and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask,
  • and to free the slaves;
  • and who upholds prayer,
  • and who contributes towards purification;
  • and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge,
  • and those who are patient in the face of hardship and adversity and when in despair.
These are the ones who have been truthful, and these are the righteous. – Quran 2:177

Very directly and clearly the Quran gives a formula to live by, which if someone has an argument against is imprudent.

As you can see, freeing slaves is part of a Muslims creed.

Quran verse 4:92 says that if you kill someone by mistake (e.g. Motor Accident), you must free a slave and compensate the family. Compensating the family is for their wellbeing, freeing a slave is for your salvation. Imagine every Muslim in the world seeking to free a slave in case of an accidental death.

Verse 5:89 ordains you to free a slave in case you had broken an oath or a promise. If you owe someone money and you break the promise of return, if and when you repent, it is not enough just to return that money. You must free a slave as an act of repentance.

9:60 gives you freeing a slave as a duty amongst charity and relieving those in debt.

The Quran articulates in this manner

“Do you know which the better path is?
  • The freeing of slaves.
  • Or the feeding on a day of great hardship.
  • An orphan of relation.
  • Or a poor person in need.”
Quran 90:12-16

The word slave in terms of the Arabic Quranic word above is Rikab which has been often translated as slave or neck also means those under observation. Which means they are suppressed or oppressed. They’re watched over. Trapped.

There is another angle that may have not been looked at. According to the Quran there is no rabbi or lord other than "the God". Thus, if a person is slaving under someone that means you have put yourself in a lordship position. This is a direct violation of the highest level of the idolatry no-no.

I know the normal argument is that someone had slaves, muslims had slaves, Muhammed had slaves, etc. I understand that its a valid argument since if the Quran says something different, why did they do it. Well, in that case those who had slaves were directly violating Gods ordain (for the believers of course), they were only paying lip service to this God and revelation thing, or the report of that story is manipulated or is a lie. It could be any of those things.

But the thesis to explore is not about what people did or are doing. Its purely about the text of the Quran said above. It will be great to look at some constructive thoughts if you have time.

Thank you very much
Peace.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Most readers would find it astonishing to hear that slavery still exists in the modern world. Though the practice was abolished officially it is still very much alive. According to a study done by the International Labour Organisation the estimated number of slaves has increased from 12.3 million to 30 million since 2005. Slavery is not declining, in fact it is increasing.

Defining slavery
  • Humans used, sold or bought as a commodity or property
  • Imprisoned or kept by force with no freedom of movement
  • Forced to work via some form of threat
  • Forcefully acquired or owned by a master or employer, abused or under threat of abuse.
Slavery has been officially abolished since 1981 and the world at large, including some Muslims believe that Islam does propagate slavery. It is an erroneous view as you will find the Quran telling us that slaves are to be set free as a repenting act for a sin or crime you commit. If a billion Muslims follow the Quranic teachings and seek to set a slave free to redeem themselves, 30 Million slaves might see a hope of freedom. Many do find it silly to discuss slavery but slavery is very much alive, it is in the increase and needs attention. The ILO goes to the length of quoting 90$ as the average cost of a slave.

Freeing a slave is defined as an act of piety in the Quran.

Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but pious is one who
  • believes in God and the Last Day,
  • and the angels,
  • and the Book,
  • and the prophets,
  • and who gives money out of love to the relatives,
  • and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask,
  • and to free the slaves;
  • and who upholds prayer,
  • and who contributes towards purification;
  • and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge,
  • and those who are patient in the face of hardship and adversity and when in despair.
These are the ones who have been truthful, and these are the righteous. – Quran 2:177

Very directly and clearly the Quran gives a formula to live by, which if someone has an argument against is imprudent.

As you can see, freeing slaves is part of a Muslims creed.

Quran verse 4:92 says that if you kill someone by mistake (e.g. Motor Accident), you must free a slave and compensate the family. Compensating the family is for their wellbeing, freeing a slave is for your salvation. Imagine every Muslim in the world seeking to free a slave in case of an accidental death.

Verse 5:89 ordains you to free a slave in case you had broken an oath or a promise. If you owe someone money and you break the promise of return, if and when you repent, it is not enough just to return that money. You must free a slave as an act of repentance.

9:60 gives you freeing a slave as a duty amongst charity and relieving those in debt.

The Quran articulates in this manner

“Do you know which the better path is?
  • The freeing of slaves.
  • Or the feeding on a day of great hardship.
  • An orphan of relation.
  • Or a poor person in need.”
Quran 90:12-16

The word slave in terms of the Arabic Quranic word above is Rikab which has been often translated as slave or neck also means those under observation. Which means they are suppressed or oppressed. They’re watched over. Trapped.

There is another angle that may have not been looked at. According to the Quran there is no rabbi or lord other than "the God". Thus, if a person is slaving under someone that means you have put yourself in a lordship position. This is a direct violation of the highest level of the idolatry no-no.

I know the normal argument is that someone had slaves, muslims had slaves, Muhammed had slaves, etc. I understand that its a valid argument since if the Quran says something different, why did they do it. Well, in that case those who had slaves were directly violating Gods ordain (for the believers of course), they were only paying lip service to this God and revelation thing, or the report of that story is manipulated or is a lie. It could be any of those things.

But the thesis to explore is not about what people did or are doing. Its purely about the text of the Quran said above. It will be great to look at some constructive thoughts if you have time.

Thank you very much
Peace.

At one time in history

Vikings had slaves
Rome had slaves
Greek had slaves
Russia had slaves
China had slaves
Mongolia had slaves

It doesn't make it right, but it is not only Islam that kept slaves.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
At one time in history

Vikings had slaves
Rome had slaves
Greek had slaves
Russia had slaves
China had slaves
Mongolia had slaves

It doesn't make it right, but it is not only Islam that kept slaves.


Khazars were also slavers.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Most readers would find it astonishing to hear that slavery still exists in the modern world. Though the practice was abolished officially it is still very much alive. According to a study done by the International Labour Organisation the estimated number of slaves has increased from 12.3 million to 30 million since 2005. Slavery is not declining, in fact it is increasing.

Defining slavery
  • Humans used, sold or bought as a commodity or property
  • Imprisoned or kept by force with no freedom of movement
  • Forced to work via some form of threat
  • Forcefully acquired or owned by a master or employer, abused or under threat of abuse.
Slavery has been officially abolished since 1981 and the world at large, including some Muslims believe that Islam does propagate slavery. It is an erroneous view as you will find the Quran telling us that slaves are to be set free as a repenting act for a sin or crime you commit. If a billion Muslims follow the Quranic teachings and seek to set a slave free to redeem themselves, 30 Million slaves might see a hope of freedom. Many do find it silly to discuss slavery but slavery is very much alive, it is in the increase and needs attention. The ILO goes to the length of quoting 90$ as the average cost of a slave.

Freeing a slave is defined as an act of piety in the Quran.

Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but pious is one who
  • believes in God and the Last Day,
  • and the angels,
  • and the Book,
  • and the prophets,
  • and who gives money out of love to the relatives,
  • and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask,
  • and to free the slaves;
  • and who upholds prayer,
  • and who contributes towards purification;
  • and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge,
  • and those who are patient in the face of hardship and adversity and when in despair.
These are the ones who have been truthful, and these are the righteous. – Quran 2:177

Very directly and clearly the Quran gives a formula to live by, which if someone has an argument against is imprudent.

As you can see, freeing slaves is part of a Muslims creed.

Quran verse 4:92 says that if you kill someone by mistake (e.g. Motor Accident), you must free a slave and compensate the family. Compensating the family is for their wellbeing, freeing a slave is for your salvation. Imagine every Muslim in the world seeking to free a slave in case of an accidental death.

Verse 5:89 ordains you to free a slave in case you had broken an oath or a promise. If you owe someone money and you break the promise of return, if and when you repent, it is not enough just to return that money. You must free a slave as an act of repentance.

9:60 gives you freeing a slave as a duty amongst charity and relieving those in debt.

The Quran articulates in this manner

“Do you know which the better path is?
  • The freeing of slaves.
  • Or the feeding on a day of great hardship.
  • An orphan of relation.
  • Or a poor person in need.”
Quran 90:12-16

The word slave in terms of the Arabic Quranic word above is Rikab which has been often translated as slave or neck also means those under observation. Which means they are suppressed or oppressed. They’re watched over. Trapped.

There is another angle that may have not been looked at. According to the Quran there is no rabbi or lord other than "the God". Thus, if a person is slaving under someone that means you have put yourself in a lordship position. This is a direct violation of the highest level of the idolatry no-no.

I know the normal argument is that someone had slaves, muslims had slaves, Muhammed had slaves, etc. I understand that its a valid argument since if the Quran says something different, why did they do it. Well, in that case those who had slaves were directly violating Gods ordain (for the believers of course), they were only paying lip service to this God and revelation thing, or the report of that story is manipulated or is a lie. It could be any of those things.

But the thesis to explore is not about what people did or are doing. Its purely about the text of the Quran said above. It will be great to look at some constructive thoughts if you have time.

Thank you very much
Peace.
If freeing slaves is an act of piety, doesn't that
mean that keeping slaves is something done?
This sounds like tacit approval of slavery.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Most readers would find it astonishing to hear that slavery still exists in the modern world. Though the practice was abolished officially it is still very much alive. According to a study done by the International Labour Organisation the estimated number of slaves has increased from 12.3 million to 30 million since 2005. Slavery is not declining, in fact it is increasing.

Defining slavery
  • Humans used, sold or bought as a commodity or property
  • Imprisoned or kept by force with no freedom of movement
  • Forced to work via some form of threat
  • Forcefully acquired or owned by a master or employer, abused or under threat of abuse.
Slavery has been officially abolished since 1981 and the world at large, including some Muslims believe that Islam does propagate slavery. It is an erroneous view as you will find the Quran telling us that slaves are to be set free as a repenting act for a sin or crime you commit. If a billion Muslims follow the Quranic teachings and seek to set a slave free to redeem themselves, 30 Million slaves might see a hope of freedom. Many do find it silly to discuss slavery but slavery is very much alive, it is in the increase and needs attention. The ILO goes to the length of quoting 90$ as the average cost of a slave.

Freeing a slave is defined as an act of piety in the Quran.

Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but pious is one who
  • believes in God and the Last Day,
  • and the angels,
  • and the Book,
  • and the prophets,
  • and who gives money out of love to the relatives,
  • and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask,
  • and to free the slaves;
  • and who upholds prayer,
  • and who contributes towards purification;
  • and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge,
  • and those who are patient in the face of hardship and adversity and when in despair.
These are the ones who have been truthful, and these are the righteous. – Quran 2:177

Very directly and clearly the Quran gives a formula to live by, which if someone has an argument against is imprudent.

As you can see, freeing slaves is part of a Muslims creed.

Quran verse 4:92 says that if you kill someone by mistake (e.g. Motor Accident), you must free a slave and compensate the family. Compensating the family is for their wellbeing, freeing a slave is for your salvation. Imagine every Muslim in the world seeking to free a slave in case of an accidental death.

Verse 5:89 ordains you to free a slave in case you had broken an oath or a promise. If you owe someone money and you break the promise of return, if and when you repent, it is not enough just to return that money. You must free a slave as an act of repentance.

9:60 gives you freeing a slave as a duty amongst charity and relieving those in debt.

The Quran articulates in this manner

“Do you know which the better path is?
  • The freeing of slaves.
  • Or the feeding on a day of great hardship.
  • An orphan of relation.
  • Or a poor person in need.”
Quran 90:12-16

The word slave in terms of the Arabic Quranic word above is Rikab which has been often translated as slave or neck also means those under observation. Which means they are suppressed or oppressed. They’re watched over. Trapped.

There is another angle that may have not been looked at. According to the Quran there is no rabbi or lord other than "the God". Thus, if a person is slaving under someone that means you have put yourself in a lordship position. This is a direct violation of the highest level of the idolatry no-no.

I know the normal argument is that someone had slaves, muslims had slaves, Muhammed had slaves, etc. I understand that its a valid argument since if the Quran says something different, why did they do it. Well, in that case those who had slaves were directly violating Gods ordain (for the believers of course), they were only paying lip service to this God and revelation thing, or the report of that story is manipulated or is a lie. It could be any of those things.

But the thesis to explore is not about what people did or are doing. Its purely about the text of the Quran said above. It will be great to look at some constructive thoughts if you have time.

Thank you very much
Peace.

Which religion says "There shall be no slavery"?
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
And there's slavery in the US - women kept as prostitutes and not allowed freedom.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
If freeing slaves is an act of piety, doesn't that
mean that keeping slaves is something done?
This sounds like tacit approval of slavery.
Active approval for getting rid of slavery is not tacit approval for slavery.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Active approval for getting rid of slavery is not tacit approval for slavery.
Let's look at what I responded to in the OP.....
" It is an erroneous view as you will find the Quran telling us that slaves
are to be set free as a repenting act for a sin or crime you commit."

How can this be done without already being a slave owner?
And if one isn't repenting for a "sin or crime", it suggests that
one gets to keep one's slaves. The OP is not providing an
argument that Islam is against slavery. Nay, it appears to
justify slavery....but only if one is without sin or crime.

I'd never free any slaves I owned.
Know why? I'd never own any.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Active approval for getting rid of slavery is not tacit approval for slavery.
Let's look at what I responded to in the OP.....
" It is an erroneous view as you will find the Quran telling us that slaves
are to be set free as a repenting act for a sin or crime you commit."
How can this be done without already being a slave owner?
And if one isn't repenting for a "sin or crime", it suggests that
one gets to keep one's slaves.

I'd never free any slaves I owned.
Know why? I'd never own any.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
If freeing slaves is an act of piety, doesn't that
mean that keeping slaves is something done?
This sounds like tacit approval of slavery.

As said in the post, you spend money to free other peoples slaves, not yours. Many ways, maybe you didnt read it properly.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I think it would be good to notice that also those who have to pay taxes are slaves, not free people.
That may be a popular talking piece in some circles, but it does not make a lot of sense on its own.

Most people pay taxes because they are part of societies that involve public services that they want to keep.

I have a strong feeling that most people who consider taxes "slavery" are not very willing to live on their own amidst some deep jungle or artic wilderness, despite that being what could make them "free".
 

leov

Well-Known Member
At one time in history

Vikings had slaves
Rome had slaves
Greek had slaves
Russia had slaves
China had slaves
Mongolia had slaves

It doesn't make it right, but it is not only Islam that kept slaves.
note that many times as as byproduct of warfare a winner would have two choices : kill prisoners or turn them to slaves .
 
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