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Site mission vs. determinism:

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by KelseyR, May 12, 2019.

  1. KelseyR

    KelseyR The eternal optimist!

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    The site mission is to provide a haven for each belief.
    And my mission is to provide a determined true belief.
    Each has its merits, and because this is not my site the site mission must win out.

    From my perspective the ability to arrive at absolute truth and thus foster unity is far more valuable than the
    ability of many to feel comfortable within their niches- and thus an overall perpetuation of falsity and disunity.

    I did give a few introductory lessons towards concluding a true belief, but have since deleted them as they are of deterministic nature. As one member pointed out- they were too advanced for the likes of people on the site. I suppose the thing that bothered me most was that some members were inventing deceitful objections to my posts on the strength of their fear and ignorance. It was too much to bear. I see no future for me here.

    Goodbye, and farewell

    Kelsey
     
  2. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Well p00p, take care, and hopefully you find a place to discuss your ideas!
     
  3. Subduction Zone

    Subduction Zone Veteran Member

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    Please don't give up so easily. Perhaps you need to tone your message down a bit.
     
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  4. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium Resident Hermit
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    Sad to see you go, Kelsey.

    The site mission is not to provide a safe haven for each belief. It is to provide a civil environment, informative, respectful and welcoming where people of diverse beliefs can discuss, compare and debate religion while engaging in fellowship with one another.

    Just because some of us may not agree with everything you post doesn't necessarily mean we don't respect your worldview and philosophies and enjoy reading your posts.

    I hope you reconsider taking your leave, but I respect your decision either way.
     
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  5. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Another Christian leaves because they don't get the special treatment they are accustomed to getting.
    Surprise.
    Surprise.
    Tom
     
  6. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    What qualification do you have to give lessons?,your opinions are welcome here whether I agree with them or not,this is a good site for learning and debating,hope you stay.
     
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  7. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    She's not a Christian >_<

    But let that hate flow Tom!

    Need more love man!
     
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  8. icehorse

    icehorse Well-Known Member
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    I missed some of these threads, but I know enough to know that I'm not buying this load of malarky. Early on you mentioned a few bits of - I guess highly specialized math? - and implied that if folks didn't know these topics they weren't worth talking to. That's utter nonsense. We all have areas of specialty. The trick is to find a common language and offer clear communication. To lean on your specialty like a crutch is the coward's way.

    As for determinism being too advanced - once again - give us a break. From the posts of yours I've seen, you don't seem to actually want to debate, you want to be correct. Nice work if you can get it, but it won't fly around here. You gotta earn it with clear communication and valid points. Let's say that you think your specialty gives you a leg up. To be fair, it might. But it's on you to describe it clearly.

    My vote would be - stow your ego, and get real. My guess is that if you're up to the challenge of explaining yourself clearly, you'll get some other perspectives sure to challenge you.
     
  9. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...

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    Yes. A good communicator finds a way to reach her audience in ways that they can understand, rather than expect the audience to rush off and take remedial courses in specific technical lexicons. Great science writers do this all the time, making difficult ideas accessible to the majority of us who can't do the sophisticated math.

    Whatever we want to say, it's always a good idea to see if we can translate it into language that doesn't require special knowledge, either scientific, scriptural, philosophical, etc.
     
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  10. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    Kelsey, maybe you are not used to debate forums because you can't have thin skin here.

    I have to tell you your thoughts were in no way too advanced for this site. Get real.
     
  11. Jim

    Jim Well-Known Member

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    @KelseyR I was interested in what you wanted to say. I’m sure you could find a way to say it that would not be considered by administrators as contrary to the forum mission, if you wanted to.
     
  12. Left Coast

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    I'm sorry, but this comes off as pretty condescending and self-righteous.

    Even if every opinion you've shared turns out to be 100% true (which I doubt), you can't possibly think all the people here from a myriad of different religious and political backgrounds were going to just immediately bend to the weight of your purely rational objective analysis. It takes people years to build their worldviews, and often years to change them. The fact that everyone wasn't immediately wooed by your insights into the nature of reality doesn't mean they're too simple-minded for you.

    I appreciate this forum because there are people here who actually want to understand the perspective of others and don't think they have all life's answers figured out. Of course, you have your fundamentalist types who are basically just here to preach and have no interest in broadening their understanding, that's unavoidable. And hey, I like a good debate as much as the next guy. But if we're going to have a compassionate world, we've got to admit at some point we could be wrong. Otherwise, dialogue and mutual understanding die.

    Can I get an amen??
     
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  13. icehorse

    icehorse Well-Known Member
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    On the highway FM ?
     
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