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Featured Since we are at the “end times” what are the revelations of Daniel 12:10?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 2ndpillar, Feb 6, 2018.

  1. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

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    All I'm going to say, is that your being deceived, who ever told you these things.

    It's all documented in both the old testament and new testament, that the day of the Lord, is the Lord's second coming.
     
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    It is the demon spirits of the “false prophet”/Paul, the “beast”/Caesar, all who have died, and the dragon, who will gather the “kings of the whole world” (Revelation 16:13-16) to “Har-Magedon”. Some to watch, and others to be “crushed” (Daniel 2:35). The demon possessed king who followed Trump on his world tour, was Obama, who is anti Jewish. Another demon possessed king of the Vatican, would be the pope, who tried to negotiate authority over Mount Zion in Jerusalem by way of Obama. The valley of Megiddo was also the battle ground of the British and their island nations, Australia, and New Zealand, who fought and defeated the Ottomans and the Germans at that location. That set up the Balfour Declaration which approved the beginning of the State of Israel. The object of the attack will be “Jerusalem” (Zechariah 14:1-3). The JW’s will be hiding under the rocks (Revelation 6:14-17).
     
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    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

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    You really need to come down to earth, Where do you get all this stuff at. Nothing you gave lines up to the book of Revelation.
     
  4. Buddha Dharma

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    Are you saying that God allowed a mistaken notion to make it into his 'infallible scriptures'- or what are you saying? Didn't Paul write under inspiration, or do we have to know how to arbitrarily choose out what wasn't 'inspired'?

    Also, the gospels suggest Christ himself thought the end was upon the world.
     
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    Nothing anyone will give lines up with Revelation IMHO, because 666 is alluding to Nero, and so on. I'll go over the passages in-depth if you want.
     
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    We are not in the 'end times'. There have been people from every generation for the past 2000 years who were convinced that they were living in the 'end times' and every single one of them has been wrong. There's absolutely no reason to believe that this generation is any different.
     
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    Are you sure about that, because in the book of Revelation God does fortells what the number 666 stands to represent.

    And it sure is not Nero, as man's teachings have it.
     
  8. Deeje

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    In line with what the apostles said when Jesus was ascending to heaven, it is apparent that God reveals details of his will and purpose at the time he sees fit. Jesus had been preaching constantly for three and a half years in close contact with his apostles who spent just about every waking hour with their teacher....yet they did not know that he was taking them to heaven. Jews believed that the Kingdom was earthly with Jerusalem featuring prominently in the outworking and their Messiah as a Liberator. As it turned out, the Kingdom was to be a heavenly government with earthly subjects. The liberation was spiritual.
    Not all Christians would go to heaven, only a 'chosen few'.

    In Acts 1:6, the apostles expected the Kingdom to come physically, there and then. It wasn't until some days later when the holy spirit came upon Christ's disciples at Pentecost, that they understood that the Kingdom was in heaven and that they were going to be taken there when Christ returned. (John 14:2-3)
    Their anointing with holy spirit revealed a lot that was previously not understandable to them, even with the greatest teacher on earth by their side.

    "All scripture is inspired of God" (2 Timothy 3:16) so after studying the Bible for 45 years, I have come to have a great respect for its words and its author.....I believe that whatever is contained in God's word is his thoughts written by human secretaries. A careful study of the scriptures reveals what is literal and what isn't. That is because the Bible interprets itself. If you find contradictions, then your interpretation is in error. God does not contradict himself.

    As a human Jesus did not know everything as he said...."Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, 39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be."

    But since he is directly involved in the events of the end times....he knows everything now.

    Why did people take no notice of Noah? People would take no notice of Christ's disciples in these time for all the same reasons....too concerned with the events of their own selfish lives to even notice what is going on around them.
     
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    The oldest writing is not 666 but 616. The Nero solution was written by the Roman church, which rewrote the number. Nero reigned during the 5th horn of the 6th head of the beast. Revelation was written well after Nero, and Nero deceived no one but the Catholic church. There was no directive given by Nero which kept anyone from "buying or selling". That was with respect to the 7th head of the beast, the "another" king of Daniel 7:24, who arose "after" them, the original 10 horns of the 4th kingdom, the Roman empire. The 7th king, "will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings" (Daniel 7:24). He will subdue Daia, Severus, and Licinius in order to unify Eastern Rome with Western Rome.
     
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    Who exactly said anything about the oldest writing,
    The number 666 of the beast, God has given in the book of Revelation what the number 666 stands to represent.
     
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    The oldest example of the Book of Revelation reads 616. Look it up yourself.
     
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    You see, you think the son of man is not coming. That is a sign that he is. It is the "evil slave" who says "my master is not coming for a long time" (Matthew 24:48). Not looking good.

    New American Standard Bible Matthew 24:44
    "For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.
     
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    Look I said God has given in the book of Revelation what the mark. Number 666 of the beast stands to Represent.

    Look in Revelation 13:18 the number of the beast 666, God has given in the book of Revelation what the number 666 Repsents.
     
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    Well that settles it then! Because I'm SURE that there has NEVER been a time prior to this in which people did NOT think the son of man was coming. Oh wait... actually I suspect that there has ALWAYS been people who did NOT think that the son of man was coming. In fact, I'd wager that people over the centuries were certain that the ends times were at hand because THEY saw that there were people who did NOT think that the son of man was coming. This 'sign' is kind of like claiming that the end times will be upon us when it's dark at night and light during the day. Pretty much applies to ANYTIME in history, doesn't it?
     
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    I guess you include yourself in that category then? :)
     
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    The question about Daniel 12:10
    Who are those, that are purified, and made white, and tried. When does this take place, According to the book of Revelation.

    Who are the wicked, and who are the Wise.
    According to the book of Revelation
     
  17. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    I'm not the one attempting to answer a question, but nice try.

    Oh wait, no it wasn't.

    FYI sarcastic use of the funny rating doesn't make the question any more answered. Passive aggressive non-answers to genuine questions are a poor form of debate.

    You know, assuming you're interested in sharing ideas. If you're just trying to be disruptive and disrespectful, carry on, I guess.
     
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    2ndpillar,
    I don’t know where you get your ideas from. As far as I can tell, it is not from what the Bible says. I hate to say this, but your post shows that you have almost zero understanding of Daniel’s prophecies. Daniel gave us several prophecies, most are long range prophecies, that culminate in our time. The prophecies you have cited were twofold prophecies, one having to do with our day.
    One of Daniel’s prophecies was written in Chapter 4, where the Kingdom of God was pictured as a great Tree. This tree was cut down, which symbolized The Kingdom of God, on earth, which was mainly the rules of David and Solomon, who sat on God’s Throne, 1Chronicles 29:23.
    At Daniel 4:14,15, this great tree was cut down. This pictured the end of Theocatic rule on earth. The time that this happened was 607BCE, when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem and the Magnificent Temple that Solomon had built. The Bible tells us that no one would sit on this throne again until Jesus would come and become The Messianic King. This time period was to be 7 Times, which was a 2,520 year period. The prophecy was in days for years. In seven years there are 2,520 days, 7 Times 360, which was used in prophecy as a year. If you count the time from 607 BCE down to 1914, you come to 2,520 years, which is the exact time that The Kingdom of God had the New King sitting on the throne again, Jesus. This is mentioned at Genesis 49:10, Ezekiel 21:24-27. We are told about this at Revelation 6:1,2. This would start the end times, where Jesus would be ruling in the midst of his enemies, Psalms 110:1,2. Revelation 12:1-6 tells about the birth of the King of God’s Kingdom. Then there was a war in heaven when Satan and his demons were thrown down to earth, Revelation 12:7-10. Then consider verses 11,12, where we are told; Woe for the earth, because the devil has gone down to you, knowing he has a short time.
    With Satan and his demons thrown down to earth, what conditions would you expect?? What did we get in 1914?? The First World War in history. At Revelation 6, right after received his Crown, what is pictured? War!! The Red Horse and the great Sword pictures War. Then read on to verse 8, where we are told about famine, diseases, and other tribulations.
    Then go to Matthew chapter 24, starting at verse 3, Jesus gives a great prophecy about the end times, Mark 13, and Luke 21, tells us about the terrible conditions that would be on earth, just before Jesus would come down to earth for Judgement, Matthew 25:31-46, 2Thessalonians 1:6-9, Acts 17:31.
    All of Daniel’s prophecies about the end times are also summed up at Revelation chapter 17. Paul also mentions conditions on earth in the Last Days, 2Timothy 3:1-7, Romans also tells of the way people would degenerate in the Last Days, Romans 1:22-32.
    All these things we see are conditions that would be happening just before Jesus returns to earth, Luke 21:7.
     
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    I hope you took a breath during that tirade. The devil/Satan has been ruling the earth long before 1914. He was given permission to sift Peter, and he influenced Judas, plus others, such as giving Paul his pleasant gift. Satan, the “dragon”, is the authority behind the beast with 7 heads (Revelation 13:4), which represents the kings, ranging from the 1st head of the beast Nebuchadnezzar, to the 8th head of the beast, who has been ruling during the period following the 7th head of the beast. As for you reading the script from the “false prophet” Paul (Matthew 7:15), you should be well on your way to “destruction” (Matthew 7:13). As for times of tribulation, the Jews have been under judgment (Hosea 5 & 6) since the time of the 1st head of the beast, and with respect to the tribulation of Matthew 24, that started with the “falling away”, initiated by Peter (Zechariah 13:7) & (Matthew 26:31). The “great tribulation” has yet to begin, and follows the sun will be darkened, solar eclipse, which just recently happened, “the moon will not give its light”, l lunar eclipse, which just happened in January, “and then the “sign of the son of man will appear” (Matthew 24:29). When the “sky splits apart like a scroll”, and “every mountain and island “are moved, then you will know to “hide from the presence of him who sits on the throne” (Revelation 6:14-16). Those with the “mark of the beast” will then drink the “wine of the wrath of God” (Revelation 14:10). By the way, what is the mark of the beast? And who is the beast with two horns like a lamb? As for your “theocratic rule”, David will be king over the combined stick of Judah and Israel (Ezekiel 37:15-28). At that time, the nations/Gentiles, will be ruled with a “rod of iron” (Revelation 19:15).
     
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    The "wicked" per Daniel 12:10, would be those who will not understand. According to Matthew 13:49, they would be compared to those without "good fruit", the tares, and in Matthew 13:41, compared to "those who commit lawlessness". In Revelation, the "wicked" would be in juxtaposition of the "saints", who "keep the commandments" (Revelation 14:19).

    Those who are "purified", would be the "third part" of the "little ones" who were brought through the refining fire. (Zechariah 13:7-9). The rest "perished".
     
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