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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Riders, Jul 11, 2020.

  1. Riders

    Riders Well-Known Member

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    I have a guy who has offered to teach me about Sikh ,I'm wondering if anyone can explain it to me?Debate is welcome.
     
  2. SalixIncendium

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    Are you asking for someone to explain to you the entire Sikh religion? Or are you asking what it means to have a guy offer to teach it to you?

    If the former, if the guy is offering to teach you, why would you want to be taught in advance of being taught?

    Anyway, here's this: Sikhism - Wikipedia

    ...and this: Sikhism Overview

    ...and much more here... Sikhism DIR
     
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  3. Terry Sampson

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    Apparently, you've never met Riders or have not taken her "Riders 102" course.
     
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  4. ronki23

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    I'm into Sikhism but I'm a Hindu, not a Sikh so I'm not the best person to ask. But here goes:

    Sikhism was born in 1469 in Punjab near Lahore, Pakistan. Its founder was Guru Nanak who was born a Hindu but lived in Muslim majority areas.

    Guru Nanak rejected the wearing of janoi (a Hindu thread that requires a ritual) and various other Hindu rituals like the aarti puja (instead of candles and incense he said the stars should be your light).

    There were 10 Sikh Gurus with Guru Gobind Singh being the final human Guru. However, the 11th Guru is the final Guru- a book called the Adi Granth or Guru Granth Sahib. Both Hindus and Muslims have written in it. Some Sikhs believe Ravidass and Banda Singh Bahadur were also Gurus.

    Sikhs, like Hindus, believe in karma and reincarnation. Like Islam has 5 pillars the Sikhs have 3 pillars (Simran/Jaap- meditation, Kirat Karo- earn and live honestly, and Vand Chakko- share and consume together) and 5 virtues (Sat- truth, Santokh- contentment, Daya- compassion,Nimrata- humility, and Pyar- love). There are also five thieves which should be avoided: Kaam- lust, Krodh- anger, Lobh- greed, Moh- attachment, Ahanker- arrogance. Sikhs don't pray to Hindu deities

    Sikhs have beards and long hair like the Hindu Sadhus and carry a kirpan (daggers) like the Kshatriyas. The reason is Sikhs are meant to represent ALL four castes of Hinduism
     
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  5. Riders

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    ROTFLMAO! It's true, I started out by asking for an older gentleman for a friend on Craigslist through activity partners. But no one was interested in platonic friendship ( except now, now I have a texting platonic buddy)and I really wanted to get some good energy between me and men without sex. So I figured having a spiritual friend might work.

    But now that I think abut it, it's not a good idea. I already have a thing with B'ahais started, they are women of course, most religions congregate women with women men with men(with the exception of my old inappropriate Pentecostal cult).

    So I went back to the B'ahais for another zoom meeting, they are going to see if they can get it started again.
     
  6. ronki23

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    @Riders

    While we're here I might as well describe Buddhism and Hinduism to you:

    Buddhism Siddhartha Gautama was a Hindu Prince born to a Nepalese/Nepali Royal family: he was prophesised to be a great King or a great Sage so his father kept him away from the harshness of life. When he grew older, Siddhartha set out and saw three things in life: poverty, sickness and being elderly and found out that this happens in the 'real' world. He prayed to Hindu Gods and fasted but the fasting was detrimonious to his health. . Instead he meditated beneath the Bodi tree in Bodhgaya, Bihar (correct me if I'm wrong) for many years and found nirvana (enlightenment). Buddhists neither believe nor disbelieve in God.

    Hinduism Born near the river Sindhu in India's Indus Valley, Hinduism is a polytheistic religion which believes in several deities: Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, Shiva the destroyer and Durga/Adi Shakti the Mother Goddess. Some Hindus think Vishnu is the supreme God while some believe Shiva is the supreme God: it depends where in Asia as its a location based religion. Vishnu has 24 avatars (give or take) and the most famous are Rama and Krishna. The scriptures include Puranas, Upanishads and Vedas: in South India it tended to be Vedas only whereas in the North the Vedas were mixed with Aryan traditions such as Greek and Roman Gods. Four castes in Hinduism. @Aupmanyav knows more than me i.e. which Gods were indigenous to India and Vedas and which came from Greece and Rome
     
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  7. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Hi Ronki, I think your post needs a few corrections.
    1. Was there any Nepal in Buddha's time? And are we sure that Kapilvastu of today was his father's capital? You must remember that though Nehru (Nehru again, the cause of many problems in India) agreed to locate Kapilvastu in Nepal. It was a gift to Nepal. A location known as Piparhwa, Uttar Pradesh, had an equally strong claim. Piprahwa - Wikipedia
    2. Hinduism is what came up from all over the country and not just from the Indus valley alone.
    3. No Gods were imported from Greece of Rome, but Greece and Rome, as well as India and Hinduism, got many of their Gods from the Indo-Europeans herders in Eurasian/Pontic steppes. Proto-Indo-Europeans - Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deities_of_Slavic_religion (nine instances of smilarities with Indic Gods and Goddesses)
    Indo-European migration, Forensic facial reconstruction of a male from the Dnieper-Donets culture (5,000-4,200 BCE, i.e., more than 6,000 years ago)

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  8. paarsurrey

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    The present day Sikhs are simple and innocent people, they have been given to believe that they are following in the footsteps of Nanak while, I understand, that is not the case. Right, please?

    Regards
     
  9. Vinayaka

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    Where did you get such an idea?

    Riders, I hope the chap you mentioned in OP can teach you stuff about Sikhism, rather than listening to non-Sikhs.
     
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    "Where did you get such an idea?"

    I understood that from reading Nanak's hymns in the Granth, please. Right, please?

    Regards
     
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    You inferred that today's Sikh's are the way they are today (a huge generalisation, BTW) by reading their sacred book? So Nanak prophesised how Sikhs would behave today?

    So by the same logic, I can understand you by reading the Koran, or the works of the Mirza Gulam?
     
  12. paarsurrey

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    " So Nanak prophesised how Sikhs would behave today?"

    I didn't say that. Did I, please?
    Right, please?

    Regards
     
  13. chinu

    chinu One of "His" creature.

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    means "re-union" with from where we all started the journey of life in the beginning.
    The word "Sikh" itself = "Learner"
    Sikh doesn't mean.. a turban, a beard or an any special type of clothing, or ritual etc. (Beware! becuase Its all just man made things)

    Everybody/everyone on this earth is "Learner" (Sikh) by default because nobody is complete on this earth.
    There's NO need to be "Sikh" because all people are "Sikhs" on this earth, by default.

    Yes its also true to say that: "Sikh" = "By-default"
    No need to be :)
     
  14. Thief

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    so we all do the 'learner' status

    ok......we do

    but when we stand before God and heaven......
    do we get to plead? ....ignorance

    I think not
     
  15. chinu

    chinu One of "His" creature.

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    You are right.
    You need NOT to plead :)

    I think better question here is: Do all people/souls go to God/Heaven right after death ?
    Answer: NO.

    Because: Once one is in Heaven / or in front of God,
    Its like, at the same-very-moment one finds himself/herself as"Drop" into "Sea" (Soul merge into God)

    Thereafter, Soul and God are one with each other.
    Thereafter, No duality, only single.
    Thereafter, Nobody left behind to make any kind of complain, or anything :)
     
  16. Thief

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    ok.....but...

    I got this story of God's Favored leading a rebellion
    and serious losses followed

    and I don't think a plea of ignorance was allowed
     
  17. chinu

    chinu One of "His" creature.

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    Actually, plea to ignorance is NOT allowed if you want to go to Heaven/God after death.
    IF, you are NOT interested going to God/Heaven after death, then everything is fine, Nothing is problem.

    Actually, one also need to understand that:
    What place is heaven actually ? What is that one is missing by NOT going to heaven ?

    The day one understand WHAT one has missed until now ?
    The day one becomes APATHETIC in true terms,
    The day one realize that the whole life he/she spent in HELL.
    The day one realize that this earth is no more than a HELL,
    The day one turns into Serious-Sikh, rather a Non-serious-Sikh :)
     
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    and I say in return....

    we end up alongside others who think and feel as we do

    How else to be happy?
    How else to be fair?
     
  19. paarsurrey

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    The natural word "sikh" (with the letter "S" not capitalized) would mean "learner" , I agree with one, but the term "Sikh" with capital "S" would mean a member of the Religion "Sikhism", whether one is a learner or not. Right, please?

    Regards
     
  20. chinu

    chinu One of "His" creature.

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    Religion DOESN’T mean any special kind of community, or a mind set.

    Rather, religion simply means re-union with... from where we all started the journey of life in the beginning.

    Or, simply re-union with God.
     
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