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Featured Sign of the end (day of the LORD/judgment)?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 2ndpillar, Dec 30, 2017.

  1. URAVIP2ME

    URAVIP2ME Veteran Member

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    Yes, Jesus' gospel of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 is about the good news of God's kingdom (Daniel 2:44) that God's kingdom in the hands of Christ Jesus will govern over Earth for a thousand years as per 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
    When enemy death will be No more on Earth as per Isaiah 25:8; Revelation 21:4-5.
     
  2. URAVIP2ME

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    I don't think I ever heard of the old natural Israel being replaced by Spiritual Israel as 'replacement theology'.
    But, I suppose one could say since God abandoned the old natural 'house' of worship as recorded at Matthew 23:38, then replaced at Pentecost by a Spiritual Nation meaning the Christian Congregation which has No borders nor boundaries located on any map because people out of all nations can become part of that spiritual nation.
     
  3. InChrist

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    According to the scriptures the church is a separate entity from the nation of Israel. The church does include people of all nations, but the it has not taken the place or replaced the nation of Israel in God's plan or in regard to His prophetic promises which apply to the nation of Israel alone. If you have been a JW all your life or were unfamiliar with various Christian theology before you became a JW then that would explain how you have never heard of Replacement theology...
    What is replacement theology?
     
  4. URAVIP2ME

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    Plans do change. Such as plans for a picnic change because of rain, etc.
    Whereas I find God has a purpose. Nothing changes God's purpose. God's purpose according to Matthew 23:38 is that the former religious ' house' of worship is abandoned by God according to Jesus.

    Since Pentecost the Israel of God is Not located on Earth but 'Jerusalem above ' is Now mother as per Galatians 4:26
    I find No mention about a fleshly Jew at Romans 2:28-29.

    I find God's promise and purpose to father Abraham is that ALL families of Earth will be blessed, and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed. Blessed with the benefit of healing for earth's nations according to Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18; Revelation 22:2. No one earthly nation is singled out.

    If you want to know about Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs then see www.jw,org.
     
  5. 2ndpillar

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    You seem to be mixing events. Revelation 21:4-5 is at the end of the Millennium, whereas Daniel 2:44 is at the beginning of the millennium when all "these nations" are "crushed", which is just behind door number three. Mathew 24:14, is about the "gospel of the kingdom" which is Repent; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 4:17). Which is the here and now. It is king David who will rule as king (Jeremiah 30:9) & (Ezekiel 37:24), and they will "walk in My ordinances, and keep My statutes", and live on the "land that I gave to Jacob".(Ezekiel 37:25). The "nations" will be ruled by a "rod of iron" (Revelation 19:15) after they have been smitten, such as they have been crushed as per Daniel 2:44.
     
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    Matthew 25:31-33-40, is simply a different iteration of a different time frame. The main difference is that Matthew 13:30 gives the timing of the "gather up" of the tares versus the wheat, and the verses of Matthew 25:31 gives the final judgment of "eternal punishment" whereas the tares of Matthew 13:30, like those "evil slaves" of Matthew 24:51, will wind up in a place of "weeping and gnashing of teeth". One is at the beginning of the millennium and one is at the end. "Everyone who loves and practice lying", etc., will be "outside" "the gates into the city" (Revelation 22:14-15), which corresponds to the beginning of the millennium. The souls of those of Matthew 25:31-33 on the "left", go to "eternal punishment" (Matthew 25:46), which corresponds to the end of the millennium.

    As for the rants of false prophet Paul, you would be best to lay him to rest in his grave, supposedly outside of Rome. As for the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:17), Peter, it is best to leave him in his grave, supposedly laying under the "daughter of Babylon's" (Zechariah 2:7) pagan basilica in Rome. As for the script for the Gentiles (the adulteress), look to Hosea 3:1-5, in which the "sons of Israel will remain many days without king or prince", because "an adulteress" was purchased for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver, until the "sons of Israel will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king".
     
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    So, you have nothing asides from more Bible verses?
     
  8. Faithofchristian

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    Could you explain exactly, what the day of the Lord is and When exactly the day of the Lord takes place?

    What are the two essential things that are to happen, That Usher's in the day of the Lord, according to the book of Revelation?
     
  9. 2ndpillar

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    Revelation 16:16, "and they gather them (kings of the whole world) together to the place which in Hebrew is called Har-Magedon", which is near Damascus, and then came the "great earthquake" (Revelation 16:18)...."and the cities of the nations fell" (Revelation 16:19), and "God gave to he (Babylon) the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath" (Revelation 16:19). Keep in mind that the "daughter of Babylon" (Zechariah 2:7) is best portrayed by the Roman church, with her daughters, the Protestant churches, walking right beside her. "like mother, like daughter"

    The second thing is that the number of brethren killed should be "completed" (Revelation 6:11), then the "moon became like blood" (Revelation 6:12) "and every mountain moved out of it's place" (Revelation 6:14). Well, the moon turns into blood this January 2018, and we get a full lunar eclipse. As for the sun "turned into darkness" (Joel 2:31), we just had a total solar eclipse in the U.S. As for "columns of smoke" (Joel 2:30), you could always look to California. As for the "great earthquake", well Japan has just forecasted one, and the super volcano under Yellowstone has recently had 2400 tremors, although the super volcano near Seattle seems a more Progressive target.
     
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    You got to be kidding, Who told you Babylon is the Roman Catholic Church ?

    You can trace Babylon all the way back to the tower of Babel of Nimrod.Then to Daniel.
    So would you care to explain how exactly the Roman Catholic Church got all the way back to the tower of Babel of Nimrod and to Daniel.

    Babylon is Spiritual, nothing that can be seen with the eyes. As was Babylon back during Daniel's day, that all the kings of the earth and those living around Babylon were in Spiritual confusion, As it is to day, people are becoming more and more in Spiritual confusion. And Babylon being the mother of the Spiritual confusion in the world.
     
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    Well the “whore of Babylon” was often used in reference to the Roman church per Luther and the other reformist. http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_image.cfm?image_id=3321

    The connection is not exactly correct, for the Roman Catholic Church is just one of many “harlot” “daughters”… “sitting on a “scarlet beast” (Revelation 17:3-5). The beast being the 7 headed beast, representing Nebachadnezzar to Constantine the Great king of Rome. The gods are all the same, under different names. Constantine’s god, Sol Invictus, represents the sun god Bel , the god of Babel, or in the case of the Jews, Marduk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bel_(mythology) The Jews are the harlot referred to in Revelation 17:16, for who the 10 horns of the 8th beast hated and “burn her up with fire”, as with Hitler in 2nd WW. And yes, the 7th head of the beast with two horns like a lamb, Constantine did deceive “those who dwell on the earth” (Revelation 13:14), and brought them into confusion. That would include the daughters of the Catholic Church, the Protestants. Like mother, like daughter. Zion is urged to “escape” from the “daughter of Babylon” “in the north” (Zechariah 2:6-7). Per the “day of the Lord”, Zechariah 2:12, “the LORD will possess Judah as His portion in the holy land, and will again choose Jerusalem”.
     
  12. URAVIP2ME

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    First, I find the setting or the time frame for Revelation is Not in the first century, but as Revelation 1:10 says the Lord's Day. So, the Lord's Day of Revelation is in connection to our day or our time frame. Present time.

    As for the 'Day of the Lord' that is explained at Zephaniah 1:14-15 and Zephaniah 1:18.
    There are conditions to be met according to Zephaniah 2:3.
    During our time frame God's people have the ' pure language ' of understanding what Daniel wrote at Daniel 12:9,4.

    As the angels of Revelation 14:6-7 have the everlasting good news gospel for the people of Earth, we on Earth have the instructions from Jesus at Matthew 24:13-14 to do likewise and tell the good news message of Daniel 2:44 to all nations of Earth before the end comes of all badness on Earth, before the soon coming ' time of separation ' comes as per Matthew 25:31-33 when Jesus, as Shepherd, will separate people on Earth.
    The humble meek people will be at his right hand of favor, so to speak - Matthew 25:37-40.

    Before the Day of the Lord is ushered in on Earth according to Revelation 7:14 God's people will come through the great tribulation as Isaiah 26:20 foretells.
     
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    I find Jesus made it plain at Matthew 23:38 that the Jewish ' house ' of worship is abandoned by God.
    God had the Roman armies destroy un-faithful Jerusalem in the year 70.
    Since Pentecost Jerusalem ' above ' is Now mother according to Galatians 4:26.
    Since Pentecost one is Not a Jew by fleshly or natural descent according to Romans 2:28-29 but a spiritual Jew.
    God's spiritual nation according to 1 Peter 2:9,5 has No borders, No boundaries found located on any map.

    Even if in the past the ' whore of Babylon ' was used in reference to the Roman church, as we can comprehend at Revelation 17:2 the Roman church did Not commit fornication (literal or spiritual) with all the Kings of Earth ( the Rulers of Earth ), so the Babylon the Great can Not be the Roman church, nor one particular church.
    Babylon thinks she is some sort of a religious ' queen ' to earth's ' kings ' according to Revelation 18:7.
    ALL nations are drunk with her wrath as per Revelation 18:3.
    She sits on many waters (people) as per Revelation 17:1,15.
    The Roman church does Not sit on all peoples, and all nations are Not drunk with the wrath of the Roman church.
    However, 'as a whole un-scriputral religion' tries to remain a potent force attempting to get earth's kings (rulers) to bend her way. So, Babylon the Great is Not a political kingdom, Not a commercial business empire, but combined false religious groups who just like ancient Babylon played false to God.
     
  14. Faithofchristian

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    As long as you believe that.
    This is exactly why the Lord's day will come upon you like a thief in the night.

    You have no clue, who those people are, that's going to proclaim the gospel around the world or when it's going to take place.
     
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    Jerusalem was left desolate by the heads and horns of the beast, Nebachadnezzar, Antiochus, Pompey, Titus, and it will be again “captured”(Zechariah 14:1-2) by the eighth head of the beast, who was and is not (Revelation 17:11). That will be the “demon spirit” of Caesar enticing the kings of the whole world to Har-Magedon (Revelation 16:13-16) As for Paul and his Galatians & Romans, Paul is the false prophet and one of the horns of the beast with two horns like a lamb. The guy just likes to hear himself talk. Peter is the “worthless shepherd” of Zechariah 11:17. Your foundation of sand is about to be washed away (Matthew 7:25-27). The Roman church was instituted by the 7th head of the beast, Constantine, at his convened Council of Nicaea, and is built on the traditions of the pagan church of Babylon. The Holy Roman Empire was a collaboration of church and state, with the pope crowning the kings. As for drinking from the cup of the wrath of God, that happens at the “Day of the Lord”(Revelation 14:10), and it comes upon with those with the mark of the beast, who was Constantine, who went out to conquer under the sign given to him by his pagan god Sol Invictus, the cross.

    Those nations which brought Gods wrath onto Judah and Israel, will be “completely destroyed” (Jeremiah 30:11) & (Joel 3:2), but Jacob will be delivered (Jeremiah 30:7).
     
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    Now that's quite amazing, with what you came up with.
    Seeing God has foretold who the beast is, that is and was not, but yet is, in the book of Revelation.
    The mark of the beast, God foretell's what the mark is, in the book of Revelation.

    Who's the beast that comes up out of the earth, God foretold who this beast is, in the book of Revelation.

    It's really amazing,how people go into the book of Revelation and not having any knowledge about the book of Revelation.

    Now take the books of, Matthew 24,
    Mark 13 and Luke 21, how does these three books fit into the book of Revelation.

    They do fit, but in what way?

    Take Matthew 24:22, Jesus has shortened the days of the Tribulation, Where does this fit into the book of Revelation ?

    Take Mark 13:11, Where and how does this fit into the book of Revelation ?

    Take Luke 21:12, where and how does this fit into the book of Revelation ?

    Everything that Christ Jesus has given in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 all fit into the book of Revelation.
    but where and how do they fit into the book of Revelation?
    That's the question?
     
  17. InChrist

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    You may find the following article on this subject interesting;

    Jews, Gentiles & the Church
    September 1, 1989
    Hunt, Dave
     
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    Feel free to answer your own questions. Let us see you expose yourself. As for the writings of Luke and Mark, who supposedly have an association with the false prophet Paul, and the “worthless shepherd” Peter (Zechariah 11:17), their contribution is to the “beast with two horns like a lamb”, Constantine and the two foundation petros (small stones) on who he built his Roman church, and to his ability to “deceive” “those who dwell on the earth” (Revelation 13:14).
     
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    Seeing yourself have no idea who the beast is in Revelation 13:14.
    Have you, yourself any idea that your fulfilling Prophecy.

    It's all been written about people like yourself, that would come, mocking those who Christ Jesus chosen.

    "But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they Corrupt themselves" Jude Verse 10.

    "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgement"
    Matthew 12:36.


    If you had read the book of Revelation, instead of over loading your mouth. With things that make no sense.

    The beast with the two horns, sure is not Constantine, As to how you come up with that one, is anyone's guess.

    It's all quite easy to know who the Beasts are, with the two horns, if you let Christ Jesus do the interpretation. It's all laid out throughout the book of Revelation. Who the beasts are.

    But as it is, all you want to do, is come condemning, Showing your stupidity of over loading your mouth.

    You come across to be the smart one here, So by all means, explain exactly how and where does Matthew 24:22, and Mark 13:11, fits into the book of Revelation ?
     
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    Again, feel free to answer your own questions. Throwing dispersions is a sign of a race lost. As for letting unknown authors, who actually confessed to witnessing nothing (Luke 1:1-3) & (Matthew 18:16) & (Dt 19:15) choose what you build your house on, leads to the ultimate destruction of that house. (Matthew 7:24-27). I am sure everyone is waiting with baited breathe to hear who you assign as the multiple heads of the "beasts". I am certainly patiently waiting to hear that story.
     
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