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Featured Sign of the end (day of the LORD/judgment)?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 2ndpillar, Dec 30, 2017.

  1. Shadow Wolf

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    At best, it's folly to resort to electronic/computer translations. They cannot consider context, and that is the major key to a decent translation and at the same time the greatest challenge in translations. It's basically what enables someone to identify an electronic translation, because these computers do not understand a languages syntax and context, both of which are crucial in understanding/translating another language.
     
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    As a wee lad I thought 1970 was the end times with mungo Jerry summertime tune. and I didnt even know that people were religious about end times. I just thought music couldn't get worse...... I was wrong..

     
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  4. 2ndpillar

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    Yeshua said (Matthew 24:33), "when you see all these things recognize that he is right at the door", but of course the "tares" (Matthew 13:30) ad the "evil slaves" (Matthew 24:50), will certainly be caught off guard.
     
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    Being as that Paul (Zechariah 11:10), and Peter, the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:17), were the two staffs taken to "pasture the flock doomed for slaughter" (Zechariah 11:7). Following them would wind up in a fall (Matthew 7:25-27). Paul's Romans 7:25 would seem to match your search for a word, and could be classed as the epitome of hypocrisy.
     
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    Any time between 70 A.D. and 1967 when the Jews gained control of all of Jerusalem. Something can't be "captured" from them if they don't possess it.
     
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    The gospel being preached by the "Christian" church is the false gospel of the false prophet Paul, and that would be the gospel of the cross/grace. Yeshua's gospel is "repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 4:17), which indeed can be heard or read from one end of the world to the other. Daniel 2:44 is about the day of the LORD when it will but to end "all those kingdoms" which refer to the feet of clay and iron, the legs of iron, the thighs of bronze, and the silver and the gold (Daniel 2:32-35). That would be the kingdom of God whereas the nations/Gentiles are then ruled with a "rod of iron" (Revelation 19:15).
     
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    In other words...replacement theology.
     
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    You fail to note that all happens "after the tribulation of those days" (Matthew 24:29). By that time "a third of mankind was killed by these three plagues" (Revelation 9:18). As for the your "separation", it is the "tares" that are gathered "first", and thrown into the fire (Matthew 13:30) & (Matthew 13:42). Those on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem (Joel 2:32) only escape because the "great tribulation" was cut short (Matthew 24:22). Peace comes by way of a "rod of iron" (Revelation 19:15). Apparently "everyone who loves lying" etc., will be "outside" (Revelation 22:15).
     
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    1 Thessalonians 5:2, Matthew 24:42, Matthew 24:44, those suggest it come at an unknown time, that no one except the father knows. And, of course, most of the world doesn't hate Christians, isn't persecuting them, and isn't killing them, let alone "all nations," and no one is performing great miracles and signs.
    And, again, what makes claiming now any different than any of the countless times it's been declared we are in the end times?
     
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    There are not computer translations of Biblical texts; there are readily available resources to understand the languages, so we get a clearer definition than just a single meaning to a word.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Yet people have been reading those exact same bible quotes for centuries and every single generation there are plenty of Christians who are convinced that all of the 'signs' were coming true during THEIR lifetimes. Kind of demonstrates how useless 'prophecy' is, because its either so vague that it could apply to virtually anything or it's no different from making an accurate prediction.

    For example, there was a general during the American Civil War who after seeing the devastation after many battles claimed that eventually humans would build a weapon powerful enough to destroy the entire world. Was he a prophet who God gave insight into the future about the development of nuclear weapons? Or did he just happen to make an accurate prediction?
     
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    You are quite right about the signs of the End Times. However, the one sign which is obvious to me, is the one Jesus mentioned - the separation of people into two groups - the goats and the sheep. One group is for giving food to the poor, providing healthcare for the poor, compassion for those in prison and welcoming strangers/immigrants into the country, the second group is totally against these four things (Matthew 25:31-46). Surely it is time for the return of the Christ and the Final Judgment.
     
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    (Verily the Last day is coming, no doubt. And verily God will resurrect those in the graves)
    Noble Quran; Elhajj 7
     
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    Prophet Mohammed said: judgement day will not come until you see 10 major signs,

    1/ The smoke
    2/ The Anti-Christ
    3/ an Animal talking to people
    4/ The sun rising from the West
    5/The advent of Eisa(Jesus)
    6/ The appearance of Yajooj and Majooj
    7/ 3 major quakes. a major earthquake in the east, the West and the Arab peninsula
    8/ the last major sign; tremendous fire starting in Yemen sweeps the people towards El Sham, the gathering ground for Judgement. El Sham is the region forming Syria, Lebanon and Palestine
     
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    You have your progressions wrong. Matthew 24:29, “immediately after the tribulation…the sun will be darkened.. .then the son of man will appear…. And he will send forth his angels….and they will gather together his elect”. The elect will be the dead listed in Revelation 20:4, which excludes those with the “mark of the beast”. The “tribulation” (Matthew 24:9) is with reference to the ongoing tribulation (Hosea 5:10-11) with respect to Jacob for two millennium (Hosea 6:2). The darkened sun and the appearance of the “son of man” (Matthew 24:30) is the start of the “great tribulation” which is judgment day, and there will be “survivors” (Joel 2:31-32), and most of them will be the 1/3 of Jacob who comes through the fire (Zechariah 13:9). It will be the “tares” who are gathered “first”, and cast into the “fire” (Matthew 13:30). Then the “wheat” will be gathered into the “barn”. The gathering into the barn will happen after “I will destroy completely all the nations where I have scattered you” (Jeremiah 30:11). The gathering into the barn happens when the “stick” of “Judah” is reunited with the “stick of the sons of Israel” and returned to the “land that I gave to Jacob” (Ezekiel 37:15-28). Unfortunately, the believers in the false gospel of the cross, propagated by the false prophet Paul, carry the mark on their forehead, for he was the false prophet of the “beast with two horns like a lamb”, the emperor Constantine, the institutor of the Roman church at his convened Council of Nicaea.
     
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    The past setting of any claims of peace I find is Not in connection to 1 Thessalsonians 5:2-3 because the setting of verse 2 shows us it is for our time now, the ' day of the Lord ' which is our day or time frame according to Revelation 1:10.
    This particular saying of 'Peace and Security' is 'coupled' with the international proclaiming about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 which is now accomplished world wide as Jesus said at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.

    Any language can compare an Interlinear translation between the Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic.
    Black Death plague, Spanish Flu, etc. all happened before the good news of Matthew 24:14 was spread world wide on a global scale as it is now done today. The time setting for 1 Thessalonians 5:2 is for Now.
     
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    I am wondering why in the ^ above ^ there is No mention about the coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,40.
    Also, since Pentecost the Israel of God is Not natural Israel by flesh ( Matthew 23:38) but 'spiritual Israel ' with Jerusalem above. - Galatians 4:26; Romans 2:28-29; 1 Peter 2:9,5
     
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    I find the ^ above ^ is quite different from the coming ' judgement day ' or time period of Matthew 25:31-33,40.
    With the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14, there will be a judgement ' a time of separation judgement ' on Earth between figurative humble sheep and haughty goat-like people.
    Also, as a precursor to the coming great tribulation the 'powers that be' will first be saying, "Peace and Security" according to 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3. At Armageddon (the war to end all wars) the executional words from Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of the wicked as per Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
     
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    I find according to 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 we are already in the Last day, or the last days of badness on Earth.
    So, Not the last day of Earth, but the last day for any badness on Earth because God will bring to ruin those ruining Earth as per Revelation 11:18 B.
    I also find recorded at Revelation 1:18 that God gave the Resurrection Power to Jesus, and as Acts of the Apostles 24:15 says that there ' will be ' (future tense) a resurrection...... Meaning a resurrection during Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth for a thousand years when enemy death will be No more as per 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
     
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